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Originally Posted by drat19
(Post 9269672)
Agreed...I always think to do it and I just never do (and as you know, I pretty much fly NWA exclusively). Do you do this?
Wonder if you could force printing one per page by manipulating the format and unchecking any "size to fit" options? When we fly on DL (prints 2 copies of same BP on each page), I only take out the BP's for the current segment & give one to my wife. They never ask for any more. They might just be 'droids trained to waste time on whatever ends up in front of them. |
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 9269680)
^^
A person after my own heart as I was thinking the exact same thing. :D |
Originally Posted by scoow
(Post 9269688)
Or a quick stop by the airport kiosk to 'reprint' boarding passes. Then you could even try the "wad & toss" as you clear security & board using your un-scribbled upon home-printed pass.
And you would permit yourself to have duplicate BP's in your possession? (reminds me of a CO TA insisting I throw out our old BP's when we changed seats, like, "Lady, do you realize how many copies of these I printed? Not to mention the image file on my laptop ...") You are a thoroughy dangerous woman, scoow.
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 9269680)
^^
A person after my own heart as I was thinking the exact same thing. :D |
Originally Posted by MikeMpls
(Post 9269693)
They might just be 'droids trained to waste time on whatever ends up in front of them.
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Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9269043)
I was asked to remove my wallet and the other contents of my pockets prior to the pat down. The TSA agent directing the show decided to thumb through my wallet. I don't believe he bothered to ask for permission first. However, since I had nothing to hide and was operating under the assumption that full cooperation would expedite the process (until the full extent of the dilatory tactics became obvious), I decided not to object.
Unfortunately, so many people believe "I have nothing to hide so why should I be afraid (or cooperate)." Your experience is a prime lesson of why we all need to erase the phrase "I have nothing to hide" from our thoughts. I would love to see you post this story over on the TSA blog. However, should you choose to do so, you need to challenge them to publish your comments, otherwise they will get sent to the trash folder. TSA Blog Inconsistencies |
Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9268729)
As an attorney, I am intimately familiar with my rights including my right to remain silent. With that said, I fully expected that my cooperation would expedite things, rather than prolonging them. I am certain that had I been uncooperative or demonstrated my frustration outwardly, it would have only extended the "festivities." Had I missed my flight or had I been traveling on a purely domestic itinerary with a number of alternatives to patch up the disruption caused by a missed flight, I likely would have escalated things further, but the last thing I wanted to do was further jeopardize my ability to travel that evening, especially with a very brief weekend trip to Europe in the cards.
I have contemplated sending a letter of complaint to my Senator, John Cornyn. I would have certainly done so if I encountered any difficulty with customs and immigration or the TSA upon my return tonight. But it was smooth sailing today, hopefully suggesting that the incident on Thursday will not cause me further hardship. I'd certainly like to leave it at that. Because I don't want to wind up on some mysterious and likely unchallengeable blacklist, I probably won't pursue this further even though I am now a member of an ever-growing list of harmless and law-abiding travelers who have been mistreated by the TSA. Certainly I'm sorry that you had to endure such crappy disgusting treatment at the hands of a Napoleonic little TSA creep, and yet, despite everyone thinking that their complaints will change how these TSA thugs and terrorists behave, I think that sometimes, being prudent is the correct thing to do, as in your case, being a high profile attorney. You are most assuredly correct that in that your name would have been on 'The List' and on every other occasion you'd likely be subjected to the infamous SSSS treatment by the TSA gestapo. ___________________________________________ 1966 - In an agreement signed with Britain, the NSA removed the 2300 residents of Mauritius islands removed and built a listening post on Diego Garcia as part of the Classic Wizard system (worldwide Advanced Tactical Ocean Surveillance System) and link for the White Cloud satellite program. NSA also used the giant Arecibo antenna in Puerto Rico that was funded by ARPA for civilian research. The Harrogate station was built 200 miles north of London, near the Menwith Hill Station that had been purchased as farmland in 1955 by the Army and in August 1966 was transferred from Army to NSA, with new antennas and domes constructed to eavesdrop. A new station was built at Buckley Air National Guard Base in Auraora near Denver. New ground stations were planned for Australia in 1966, starting with Pine Gap 11 miles from Alice Springs, codenamed Merino; another station was built in 1969 at Nurrungar in Woomera area 600 miles southeast of Alice Springs, codenamed Casino. |
I respectfully disagree. Since the OP is a high-profile, this will likely HELP the tide against TSA go even higher, and you will get ALOT of sympathy and support from people. You WON'T go on a list for complaining - as many others in this thread have complained to TSA and their Congresspeople, and yielded no results of getting on a list. Please, for the greater good of humanity, complain? :-D Don't let this go... or this could happen to someone else.
Originally Posted by Boston_Bulldog
(Post 9269924)
Certainly I'm sorry that you had to endure such crappy disgusting treatment at the hands of a Napoleonic little TSA creep, and yet, despite everyone thinking that their complaints will change how these TSA thugs and terrorists behave, I think that sometimes, being prudent is the correct thing to do, as in your case, being a high profile attorney.
You are most assuredly correct that in that your name would have been on 'The List' and on every other occasion you'd likely be subjected to the infamous SSSS treatment by the TSA gestapo. ___________________________________________ 1966 - In an agreement signed with Britain, the NSA removed the 2300 residents of Mauritius islands removed and built a listening post on Diego Garcia as part of the Classic Wizard system (worldwide Advanced Tactical Ocean Surveillance System) and link for the White Cloud satellite program. NSA also used the giant Arecibo antenna in Puerto Rico that was funded by ARPA for civilian research. The Harrogate station was built 200 miles north of London, near the Menwith Hill Station that had been purchased as farmland in 1955 by the Army and in August 1966 was transferred from Army to NSA, with new antennas and domes constructed to eavesdrop. A new station was built at Buckley Air National Guard Base in Auraora near Denver. New ground stations were planned for Australia in 1966, starting with Pine Gap 11 miles from Alice Springs, codenamed Merino; another station was built in 1969 at Nurrungar in Woomera area 600 miles southeast of Alice Springs, codenamed Casino. |
Originally Posted by Andy1369
(Post 9270529)
I respectfully disagree. Since the OP is a high-profile, this will likely HELP the tide against TSA go even higher, and you will get ALOT of sympathy and support from people. You WON'T go on a list for complaining - as many others in this thread have complained to TSA and their Congresspeople, and yielded no results of getting on a list. Please, for the greater good of humanity, complain? :-D Don't let this go... or this could happen to someone else.
Yet, he has not received a reply from the TSA. I'm not saying don't send a complaint. I am saying to keep your expectations where the TSA's competency level is -- in the cellar. |
Originally Posted by scoow
(Post 9269688)
Or a quick stop by the airport kiosk to 'reprint' boarding passes. Then you could even try the "wad & toss" as you clear security & board using your un-scribbled upon home-printed pass.
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Portions of the post that previously appeared in this space have been deleted. I would provide you with a reason why, but doing so would likely be against the TOS.
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Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9267635)
On Thursday, I was scheduled to fly from SAT-MEM-AMS. As I always do, I cut it pretty close with regard to getting to the airport.
.... Incredibly and to his eternal credit, a NW agent who had just finished retracting the jet bridge called the aircraft and agreed to reposition the jet bridge. ^ The aircraft door was opened and I made my flight. .... Despite my relief at making my flight and making my connection to Europe, the actions of the TSA folks at the airport were disgraceful. :td: Those who know me or have read even a handful of my postings will know that I am very much a law-and-order conservative Republican. People on these boards ALWAYS lament the smoke and mirrors techniques the TSA employs and beg the question why doesn't the TSA use behavioral techniques similar to ElAl to thwart terrorists. Well, in your case, they detained you because you were acting nervous/anxious by their estimation, and whether you were able to detect it in your own behavior or not, perhaps you weren't keeping your seething irritation in check as well as you'd like to think. @:-) As a fellow passenger (and as a passenger in general) it irritates me to know that the aircraft pulled back up to the gate for one person. That delays the whole system. Lastly, I don't know what your personal politics have to do with anything. |
Originally Posted by LAlady
(Post 9270976)
You admit that you cut it close, as you always do, when getting to the airport. Come on, you should know better. :td:
People on these boards ALWAYS lament the smoke and mirrors techniques the TSA employs and beg the question why doesn't the TSA use behavioral techniques similar to ElAl to thwart terrorists. Well, in your case, they detained you because you were acting nervous/anxious by their estimation, and whether you were able to detect it in your own behavior or not, perhaps you weren't keeping your seething irritation in check as well as you'd like to think. @:-) As a fellow passenger (and as a passenger in general) it irritates me to know that the aircraft pulled back up to the gate for one person. That delays the whole system. Lastly, I don't know what your personal politics have to do with anything. TSA has repeatedly said that it will ignore signs when people are running late, sweating, etc because they understand this stuff happens. And good grief, how long does it take to clear someone? It doesn't take several minutes to look at an ID, nor do bags need to be tossed multiple times. TSA's conduct here is rephrensible at best. Sure, he should have gotten there earlier. That doesn't excuse TSA's behavior though. :td: What NW did was NW's choice. I'm guessing that the OP flies enough and that it was worth it to NW due to the money he spends repeatedly to do a little something to go the extra mile for the OP. It doesn't sound the like the plane was delayed long ... I've been delayed longer on the tarmac due to FAA issues. Had it caused a big problem for NW, I doubt they would have waited. |
Originally Posted by Superguy
(Post 9271112)
What NW did was NW's choice. I'm guessing that the OP flies enough and that it was worth it to NW due to the money he spends repeatedly to do a little something to go the extra mile for the OP. It doesn't sound the like the plane was delayed long ... I've been delayed longer on the tarmac due to FAA issues.
Had it caused a big problem for NW, I doubt they would have waited. |
Amen
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 9267906)
:td: to your lousy attitude and negative contribution to this thread.
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I, too, am disappointed that the OP does not seem to want to take this any further. I don't think there's a tinker's chance in he** that he'd end up on a watch list.
He could post to the TSA blog where they could, if they really wanted to, track him down, but they won't. (That's the reason you can't post to the blog from Firefox; TSA wants the cookies that they get from IE.) If those of you complaining about the OP not getting to the airport 2 hours ahead of his flight, you must not have noticed this in his post: "Usually getting through security at SAT is a breeze". This is true; seldom does the wait time last more than 10 minutes, so getting to the airport 40 mins before a flight does not seem unreasonable. |
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