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Originally Posted by Yaatri
(Post 9268979)
I don't look like a terrorist. Search him
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Originally Posted by Landing Gear
(Post 9268917)
Please do not consider the following as an attempt to depose you but I am very curious as to how the TSA got a hold of your credit cards.
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Originally Posted by Yaatri
(Post 9268979)
You have seen how some of the TSA employees abuse the power they have. Now you are afraid to take action. Does that mean you are afraid of retaliation?
I do not know if you are brown or white, nor does it matter. But try and imagine how bad it could it be if you were brown, a muslim, or some one thought you were. But... Yes, there is a but. You felt many measures such as water boarding were OK as they were being used on "others" to extract information. I hope your outrage is does not mean "Don't look at me. I am law abiding and respectful. I don't look like a terrorist. Search him" As for waterboarding, perhaps we should leave that topic for OMNI lest we exceed the bounds of this forum. Suffice to say there is a vast difference, in my judgment, between applying harsh interrogation tactics to high-value Al Qaeda captives like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who undoubtedly have innocent blood on their hands and critical information about future terrorist plots at their fingertips, and unduly hassling ordinary and law-abiding citizens and visitors of any race and ethnicity as they make their way through our airports. |
Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 9267832)
First, I didn't realize that it was permissible to check in on line for an international flight.
Second, by your own admission, you have been playing with fire and usually do. This time you got burned. Maybe next time you will not cut it so close. |
Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9269073)
Suffice to say there is a vast difference, in my judgment, between applying harsh interrogation tactics to high-value Al Qaeda captives like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who undoubtedly have innocent blood on their hands and critical information about future terrorist plots at their fingertips, and unduly hassling ordinary and law-abiding citizens and visitors of any race and ethnicity as they make their way through our airports.
How do you expect the TSA to determine whether or not you are a "high-value Al-Qaeda captive," without the use of the tools you are so anxious to use on possibly innocent brown-skinned people? All I can say is, I'm glad you're not my lawyer. |
Originally Posted by vasantn
(Post 9269117)
And will you be "the decider," in the fractured parlance of your hero, of who "undoubtedly have innocent blood on their hands and critical information about future terrorist plots at their fingertips," and who "are ordinary and law-abiding citizens and visitors of any race and ethnicity [making] their way through our airports?" If you are that all-knowing, perhaps we don't need the TSA.
How do you expect the TSA to determine whether or not you are a "high-value Al-Qaeda captive," without the use of the tools you are so anxious to use on possibly innocent brown-skinned people? All I can say is, I'm glad you're not my lawyer. |
Originally Posted by flyinbob
(Post 9269130)
Are you serious? Are you really comparing operations by NSA and CIA operatives working overseas in actual enemy areas to the dingbats who "man" the TSA checkpoints? Placing these fools with 10 minutes of "training" anywhere close to the level of real security professionals dealing with genuine issues indicates your extreme lack of understanding of what passes for airport security these days.
BTW, I was not aware that the NSA had operatives working in enemy territory. Perhaps you will enlighten me. |
Originally Posted by xyzzy
(Post 9268355)
:eek: Welcome to our world :eek:
Rule number zero -- don't talk to the TSA. It can only cause problems. Rule number one -- see rule number zero. Agreed. Well I was going to hold off posting about our ordeal with some TSAholes but I guess I'll go ahead and post it. |
Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9269073)
As for waterboarding, perhaps we should leave that topic for OMNI lest we exceed the bounds of this forum. Suffice to say there is a vast difference, in my judgment, between applying harsh interrogation tactics to high-value Al Qaeda captives like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who undoubtedly have innocent blood on their hands and critical information about future terrorist plots at their fingertips, and unduly hassling ordinary and law-abiding citizens and visitors of any race and ethnicity as they make their way through our airports.
There are hundreds who are let free after the "interrogation" because it becomes obvious they are not terrorists, or who are held indefinitely or even die in captivity though there is nothing to suggest they are terrorists. Therein, my friend, lies the problem. Whatever happened to the "innocent until proven guilty" principle our country's legal system was once based upon? What would your reaction be if your family member was being water-boarded at Gitmo despite having no ties to terrorism and without having access to a fair trial? |
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Originally Posted by boiflyer
One of a few lessons that may be learned here: Only show the TSA the boarding pass for the immediate flight. Who knows if it would have changed anything, but something to think about nonetheless.
Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 9268896)
The boarding documents generated by NW's online check-in process display all flights on an uninterrupted itinerary on a single page (space permitting).
It's all I can do every time not to say, "Glad you reviewed all my BPs there pal...America is far safer now." I'm gonna slip one day, I just know it... |
Originally Posted by drat19
(Post 9269521)
In support of SAT Lawyer's point and as a fellow NW Plat: I try that technique (only show them the immediate flight BP) every time I fly, and every time, the TSO at the document checking station unfolds my OLCI sheet to review the entire itinerary. The "institutional" manner in which they do this consistently clearly indicates that this process is part of their training.
It's all I can do every time not to say, "Glad you reviewed all my BPs there pal...America is far safer now." I'm gonna slip one day, I just know it... |
Originally Posted by drat19
In support of SAT Lawyer's point and as a fellow NW Plat: I try that technique (only show them the immediate flight BP) every time I fly, and every time, the TSO at the document checking station unfolds my OLCI sheet to review the entire itinerary. The "institutional" manner in which they do this consistently clearly indicates that this process is part of their training.
It's all I can do every time not to say, "Glad you reviewed all my BPs there pal...America is far safer now." I'm gonna slip one day, I just know it...
Originally Posted by MikeMpls
(Post 9269661)
Not all airlines print them that way. Maybe a few seconds of quality time with a paper cutter is in order.
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Originally Posted by bzbdewd
(Post 9267817)
oh yeah... and who does the training at SAT??
A person after my own heart as I was thinking the exact same thing. :D |
Originally Posted by MikeMpls
(Post 9269661)
Not all airlines print them that way. Maybe a few seconds of quality time with a paper cutter is in order.
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