Pilot Stabbed on an Air New Zealand flight today
Feb 7, 2008, 2:08 pm
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Pilot Stabbed on an Air New Zealand flight today
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pil...234107731.html
Of course it will be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft, while claiming to have some kind of "device", while reportedly making a hijack attempt).
Of course it will be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft, while claiming to have some kind of "device", while reportedly making a hijack attempt).
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Feb 7, 2008, 2:16 pm
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Do passengers have to go through screening on these inter-NZ prop flights? I remember reading somewhere that they don't, though I am losing some of my memory in my advancing years.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:18 pm
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pil...234107731.html
Of course it will most likely be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft. or what is being reported as a hijack attempt)
Of course it will most likely be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft. or what is being reported as a hijack attempt)
Feb 7, 2008, 2:21 pm
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Feb 7, 2008, 2:22 pm
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As I posted in the Newsstand thread, I hope the Kiwis don't start acting like Stupid Americans over this incident.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:24 pm
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My thoughts exactly. There's not a lot of information available yet, but I wonder where the "vigilant passengers" were that are so often spoke of of this forum. I know...it's a little early to quarterback this thing, so I may have to eat my words later! It was also ironic that this occurred in New Zealand, which was staunchly opposed to armed air marshals.
Even people willing to help may not be enough.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:26 pm
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A good point in all of this is, that there may very well have been vigilant passengers on board (we don't know yet); But people still got cut up, had to go to the hospital, and it appears that a "police dog" was used to help bring the suspect into custody.
Even people willing to help may not be enough.
Even people willing to help may not be enough.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:31 pm
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My thoughts exactly. There's not a lot of information available yet, but I wonder where the "vigilant passengers" were that are so often spoken of in this forum. I know...it's a little early to quarterback this thing, so I may have to eat my words later! It was also ironic that this occurred in New Zealand, which was staunchly opposed to armed air marshals.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0124686
I don't know how many "vigilant passengers" there were but the nut was probably up and into the cockpit before there was any chance of intervention. Not really a valid test case.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:35 pm
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Aircraft was a 19-seat Jetstream. Damn near impossible to stand up unless you're under 5ft; and no cockpit door.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0124686
I don't know how many "vigilant passengers" there were but the nut was probably up and into the cockpit before there was any chance of intervention. Not really a valid test case.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0124686
I don't know how many "vigilant passengers" there were but the nut was probably up and into the cockpit before there was any chance of intervention. Not really a valid test case.
... and the vigilant passengers would have had to attack the bad guy one at a time, just like in those Ninja movies...
Feb 7, 2008, 2:55 pm
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pil...234107731.html
Of course it will be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft, while claiming to have some kind of "device", while reportedly making a hijack attempt).
Of course it will be a situation of a mentally unstable person, but is interesting that many felt "nothing" like this could ever have happened "again".
(when I say "like this", I do not mean 9/11 as a complete example. I mean the many folks who have theorized "no one" would ever try to "attack" someone with cutting type object on a commercial aircraft, while claiming to have some kind of "device", while reportedly making a hijack attempt).
Feb 7, 2008, 2:55 pm
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Good point. What would be the difference if the aircraft was an MD-80, Embraer 170 series, Boeing 717, ATA 757, etc? My point is the aisle width isn't significantly greater on these aircraft than the Jetstream to realistically permit more than one passenger to "attack the bad guy."
Feb 7, 2008, 2:56 pm
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And mind you, too, that the case cited is not applicable to 99.999% of commercial aviation. We're talking about a plane without a cockpit door, for crying out loud.
Feb 7, 2008, 2:59 pm
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Good point. What would be the difference if the aircraft was an MD-80, Embraer 170 series, Boeing 717, ATA 757, etc? My point is the aisle width isn't significantly greater on these aircraft than the Jetstream to realistically permit more than one passenger to "attack the bad guy."
First, and foremost, even the EMB-170 has a reinforced cockpit door kept closed, or at best opened while the aisle is blocked and the flight crew vigilant for anyone approaching. Aisle width may not be a factor in "fighting back," but the actual attack in the first place is not going to get to the cockpit on the vast majority of planes out there.
Second, the damage one could achieve successfully hijacking a plane which might permit such an attack--like the tiny Jetstream or a B-1900--is so minimal that the risks are minimalized.
Feb 7, 2008, 3:12 pm
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And yet they have managed it. Most notably the Southwest (737) 'murder' at SLC. Other recent examples off the top of my head - Air Mauretanie (737) and Aeroflot(A320). I'm sure google would find others.