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hl78 Feb 7, 2008 10:37 am

I posted the below but it was rejected as well. Bolding placed by me on flyertalk.


I was curious why my U.S. Department of Commerce Identification has
been denied as valid identification prior to entering the sterile area
and submitting to an administrative search at BWI airport. USDOC
badges state that they are United States Government Identification
(and property of the US government), state my agency, name, photograph
with agency seal in the background, and includes digital security
features such as a smartchip.

Likewise I had to be photographed, fingerprinted, have a background
check by an Office of Personnel Management special investigator, fill
out SF-85P (http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF85P.pdf), provide
proof of citizenship, provide references, most recently an in person
interview, provide my credit and medical history, my official
transcripts from college etc in order to receive and maintain
possession of my official Federal Government identification, accept a
position of public trust, as well as enable me to enter U.S.
Department of Commerce buildings.

I am honestly quite confused why one Executive branch agency has full
faith and confidence in my identity after a far more exhaustive search
of my background and integrity
and another will dismiss the expenses
incurred by the public to verify my identity as not being valid
identification.

doober Feb 7, 2008 10:48 am


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 9205117)
I had to post on this comment. It really burned my a$$. TSO's post is quoted throughout inside the <i> tags.

Sorry, Superguy, I started a new thread about this very post before I read this.

Mods, please do whatever you want with my thread.

txrus Feb 17, 2008 7:57 am

This was submitted, twice, for the column about the 'Black Diamond' test @ SLC w/o being posted:

Define 'limited'. Current carry-on policy allows each passenger 1 carry-on plus 1 'personal' item (i.e., laptop, purse, or backpack). If 'limited' refers to those who abide by those rules, then one can only assume that 'multiple' carry-ons refer to those who are not abiding by those rules & thus have more than the currently allowed number of carry-ons to bein with, which would seem to be a completely different problem. Or will 'multiple' now refer to those who are following the current carry-on policy & have 1 plus their personal item? If so, I can see huge numbers of those who would otherwise be classified as 'expert' being shunted off to the 'casual' line, which will then cause it's own slew of problems.

Good luck w/this one Kip!


What'd I do? :confused:

red456 Feb 17, 2008 8:28 am


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 9265286)
This was submitted, twice, for the column about the 'Black Diamond' test @ SLC w/o being posted:

Define 'limited'. Current carry-on policy allows each passenger 1 carry-on plus 1 'personal' item (i.e., laptop, purse, or backpack). If 'limited' refers to those who abide by those rules, then one can only assume that 'multiple' carry-ons refer to those who are not abiding by those rules & thus have more than the currently allowed number of carry-ons to bein with, which would seem to be a completely different problem. Or will 'multiple' now refer to those who are following the current carry-on policy & have 1 plus their personal item? If so, I can see huge numbers of those who would otherwise be classified as 'expert' being shunted off to the 'casual' line, which will then cause it's own slew of problems.

Good luck w/this one Kip!


What'd I do? :confused:

Did you have more than one thread open? I've caught myself beginning to post a response in a wrong thread 'cause I've got too many of them going at one time.

red456 Feb 17, 2008 8:33 am

Following on with the theme of this thread
 
I notice many comments that might not have been posted when the blog first opened for business; could it be because so many FTers (as well as others) have complained here and in others places about certain comments being ignored?

I also notice several posts in the blog asking why the TSA is not responding to certain questions.

Cee Feb 17, 2008 9:22 am


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 9265286)
This was submitted, twice, for the column about the 'Black Diamond' test @ SLC w/o being posted:

Define 'limited'. Current carry-on policy allows each passenger 1 carry-on plus 1 'personal' item (i.e., laptop, purse, or backpack). If 'limited' refers to those who abide by those rules, then one can only assume that 'multiple' carry-ons refer to those who are not abiding by those rules & thus have more than the currently allowed number of carry-ons to bein with, which would seem to be a completely different problem. Or will 'multiple' now refer to those who are following the current carry-on policy & have 1 plus their personal item? If so, I can see huge numbers of those who would otherwise be classified as 'expert' being shunted off to the 'casual' line, which will then cause it's own slew of problems.

Good luck w/this one Kip!


What'd I do? :confused:

To me, the TSA blog seems to run on "bankers hours", or I guess "government employee hours"...give it a day or so, and your comment will be posted (maybe) :)

I don't know how the whole diamond thing is gonna work out...usually you can spot the "non expert" flyers (they usually have a "deer in the headlights" kind of look on their faces) and hopefully get them off to the green lane at least.

As for the questions TSA is not answering on their blog? Those are good, tough questions....probably won't be addressed!

red456 Feb 17, 2008 9:47 am


Originally Posted by Cee (Post 9265619)

As for the questions TSA is not answering on their blog? Those are good, tough questions....probably won't be addressed!

Won't be addressed because the TSA can't give answers that have any credibility.

Several posters have addressed the Privacy Act. The TSA won't answer that one because they don't want the public in general to know that they have exempted themselves from having to abide by the act.

Cee Feb 17, 2008 10:02 am


Originally Posted by red456 (Post 9265757)
Won't be addressed because the TSA can't give answers that have any credibility.

Several posters have addressed the Privacy Act. The TSA won't answer that one because they don't want the public in general to know that they have exempted themselves from having to abide by the act.

Agreed. Also, I think the TSA doesn't want the public in gereral to know that there even is such a thing as the Privacy Act. Lots of people don't....

txrus Feb 17, 2008 11:07 am


Originally Posted by Cee (Post 9265619)
To me, the TSA blog seems to run on "bankers hours", or I guess "government employee hours"...give it a day or so, and your comment will be posted (maybe) :)

There were 4 comments posted when I submitted mine; as of this morning, Sunday, there are 15. The rejection has nothing to do w/'bankers hours'.

red456 Feb 17, 2008 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 9265286)
This was submitted, twice, for the column about the 'Black Diamond' test @ SLC w/o being posted:

Define 'limited'. Current carry-on policy allows each passenger 1 carry-on plus 1 'personal' item (i.e., laptop, purse, or backpack). If 'limited' refers to those who abide by those rules, then one can only assume that 'multiple' carry-ons refer to those who are not abiding by those rules & thus have more than the currently allowed number of carry-ons to bein with, which would seem to be a completely different problem. Or will 'multiple' now refer to those who are following the current carry-on policy & have 1 plus their personal item? If so, I can see huge numbers of those who would otherwise be classified as 'expert' being shunted off to the 'casual' line, which will then cause it's own slew of problems.

Good luck w/this one Kip!


What'd I do? :confused:

Sorry, I misunderstood your post.

Your sin was committed in your first word: "Define" They can't do that so your post was rejected.

FliesWay2Much Feb 17, 2008 1:51 pm

My guess is that the response has been overwhelming, so they have simply installed a "dirty word" program. The test would be to submit a response to a post with and without the "f" word in a sentence. If they are using a software fix, the post without the dirty word would get published.

doober Feb 18, 2008 7:21 am

In addition to the "Gripes & Grins" section of the blog not accepting comments, it would appear that the "Shoes" section has been shut down also, although perhaps only temporarily.

And still no critical questions answered.

studentff Feb 27, 2008 11:18 am

My first rejected comment!
 
Posted in the Burbank/zip-lane thread. I submitted it more than 24 hours ago, and other posts have appeared since then in the thread, so I assume it was rejected. It's actually far less harsh than many other comments I've posted.


Originally Posted by studentff
The premise of your zip lane is that it’s the large rollaboard bags that are slowing the x-ray line. That couldn’t be farther from the truth. My rollaboard is the one item I carry that goes through the x-ray unaltered and is virtually never called for a bag check.

What slows down the line is: 1) Having to remove my laptop from my laptop bag (which fits under the seat) and put it in a separate bin. 2) Having to remove my coat and shoes even though they won’t alarm the metal detector, and place them in a bin and on the belt. 3) Having to fish out my freedom baggie containing my war-on-water-suitable toiletries and place it on one of the bins.

All of those things are still necessary for zip-lane eligible travelers.

If you really want to speed up the lines, end the war-on-water, end the shoe carnival, quit requiring laptops to come out of laptop bags (other civilized countries don’t), and increase your use of ETDs and puffers. You’ll increase security and detection of actual explosive threats, and speed up the line at the same time. What a win!

Interestingly enough, TSA today posted criteria for rejecting blog comments, none of which seem to cover the posts many FTers are reporting as rejected:


Originally Posted by TSA
While we’re on the subject of deleted posts, it’s important to know why we do delete some posts. It all breaks down to the following reasons:

* Personal attacks (on both officers and passengers)
* Profanity (and I thought some sailors knew how to curse)
* Long embedded url strings (only because it messes up the format of the blog)
* Threats (enough said on this one)
* Duplicate posts (hitting submit 12 times won't make the comment appear any faster)
* Off-topic comments (and since we can't tell which topic a comment goes under when we moderate, we mean REALLY off topic, think plagues of locust off topic…)
* Sensitive information (TSA folks explaining exact procedures that could aid someone wishing to do us harm)

Other than that, all's fair in love and blogging.


wiredboy10003 Feb 27, 2008 2:58 pm

"Sensitive information (TSA folks explaining exact procedures that could aid someone wishing to do us harm)"

This is a universal out. Every scrap of information is a state secret to them.

txrus Mar 31, 2008 8:47 am

Submitted twice, but never posted in the 'TSA & Piercings' thread.

"- "STOP THE YELLING. Ahem, stop the yelling." (Wish I could take credit for that one.) There's a concept in human relations called the "minimum effective response." It boils down to use the least level of response that gets the job done. IOW, don't yell when a simple explanation in a civil tone of voice will get the job done."
I have to comment about this. I just flew through Atlanta and several other airports the week before last, and yes, there was yelling. With the number of people there, and the noise level it would have been impossible for me and others to hear the instructions without the yelling. Maybe I'm just not sensitive, but it didn't bother me in the least.
Chance - EoS Blog Team.
********************************
Oh for heaven's sake, Chase-how many times, how many ways, & how many different people have brought this up just in the course of this blog's history? Goody for you that it doesn't bother you, but clearly, given the number of posts that mention this, it bothers many of your 'customers' & THAT is what counts!!!
Here's a suggestion for your idea factory-pick 1 moderately sized checkpoint & for 1 day forbid any & all shouting by anyone from the TSA. Get some independent observers to monitor the screeners behavior & volume & give them the authority to tell any screener who gets to loud to tone it down (I'd bet you could find a few volunteers over on FlyerTalk-heck, pick my home airport & I'll be there!) & then watch how much the noise level &, more importantly, stress level @ the checkpoint comes down. Here's a funny thing about people-if they walk into a quiet area, they are likely to be quiet themselves (think of a church or doctor's waiting room). What have you got to lose? Being proven wrong?


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