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MrAndy1369 Jan 11, 2008 5:46 pm

More SPOT/ID Checking stupidity
 
TSA.gov
News & Happenings

January 10, 2008

TSA's behavior detection and document checking officers have been busy this month. Just last week, a TSA behavior detection officer in Florida observed an individual in the public area of the airport, prior to the checkpoint, displaying suspicious behavior and contacted the airport police.

The police interviewed the individual, who was not traveling. During the interview, the individual threatened the officers and became combative.

Further investigation by law enforcement revealed that the individual has a felony probationary status and previous criminal history including loitering, robbery with a weapon, disorderly conduct, resisting an officer and battery. The police removed the individual from airport property.

In California, a transportation security officer specially trained in document checking identified a suspect passport presented by a Singapore-bound passenger.

The officer notified a nearby TSA behavior detection officer, who responded and confirmed that the passenger was exhibiting suspicious behavior. Airport police, as well as the FBI, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) were notified and interviewed the passenger.

During the interview, the FBI determined that the passenger had provided false identification, and that his passport and other identification did not match. Further investigation indicated he was here illegally. The individual was taken into custody by CBP and escorted to a detention center, pending further charges.

These are just a few examples of TSA's partnership with agencies across the Department of Homeland Security and the law enforcement community to make air travel safer.

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Jan 11, 2008 5:56 pm

So it's "stupid" that they nabbed an illegal alien using a fake I.D., eh? :confused:

I'd say that's a pretty good day's work, myself. :)

Spiff Jan 11, 2008 5:57 pm

These disgusting activities contribute nothing to security and are a real and credible threat to the American way of life.

MrAndy1369 Jan 11, 2008 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 9052397)
So it's "stupid" that they nabbed an illegal alien using a fake I.D., eh? :confused:

I'd say that's a pretty good day's work, myself. :)

Yes, it's the right task of duty for FBI, police, etc to catch illegal aliens. Is it TSA's job? What's your job description?

The first person in California... pointless and stupid. TSA's business is to screen passengers for dangerous items and to check their ID's - at the checkpoint. Roaming the public area of the airport is pointless. That's not their responsibility. That's mission creep, and what bothers me.

The second person in Florida... while it makes sense for the other agencies - TSA was the one who brought this up. Read above for what TSA's responsibilities are. Again, mission creep.

ralfp Jan 11, 2008 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9052343)
TSA's behavior detection and document checking officers have been busy this month. Just last week, a TSA behavior detection officer in Florida observed an individual in the public area of the airport, prior to the checkpoint, displaying suspicious behavior and contacted the airport police.

The police interviewed the individual, who was not traveling. During the interview, the individual threatened the officers and became combative.

Further investigation by law enforcement revealed that the individual has a felony probationary status and previous criminal history including loitering, robbery with a weapon, disorderly conduct, resisting an officer and battery. The police removed the individual from airport property.

Soooo... was the guy doing anything illegal, or was the whole conflict instigated by the TSA & police? If the guy had been doing anything wrong the TSA probably would trumpet it, so it's safe to assume the guy was innocent before he "threatened" police. Obviously "threatening" a LEO is a bad thing to do, but even I (no arrests, etc.) would be a bit put off if I were approached by police in a public place, interviewed for no good reason, and was made to show ID (otherwise how did they know his history).


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9052343)
In California, a transportation security officer specially trained in document checking identified a suspect passport presented by a Singapore-bound passenger.

The officer notified a nearby TSA behavior detection officer, who responded and confirmed that the passenger was exhibiting suspicious behavior. Airport police, as well as the FBI, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) were notified and interviewed the passenger.

During the interview, the FBI determined that the passenger had provided false identification, and that his passport and other identification did not match. Further investigation indicated he was here illegally. The individual was taken into custody by CBP and escorted to a detention center, pending further charges.

So they are going to force him to do what he was in the process of doing? Can you imagine the horror if he had been allowed to leave the country at his own expense? :rolleyes:

I would not be surprised if the "fake" ID was one with a different transliteration of his name.


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9052343)
These are just a few examples of TSA's partnership with agencies across the Department of Homeland Security and the law enforcement community to make air travel safer.

Using these highlights for PR purposes is like a dealer showing off a car by giving test-drives in one with a broken engine.

The fact that the TSA PR machine doesn't recognize this shows just how pathetic they are. Either that or they're making fun of their bosses.

goalie Jan 11, 2008 6:20 pm

<insert 3 stooges theme>
see spot run
see spot run
they all ran after the ter'wrist
they all ran after the ter'wrist
oh, see spot run

tsa has yet to nab a suspected/alleged terrorist but have nabbed plenty of lighters, puddings, gels, contact lens solution and not to mention a few illegals, wanted folks, women being kidnapped to india by their husbands and even a 5 year old boy but nary an evil ne'er-do-well ter'wrist

spot is a joke. at least in the military, ocs produces 90 day wonders vs the 5 day spot miracle workers who are supposed to be our first line of defense in the war on terrah. blech

FliesWay2Much Jan 11, 2008 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 9052397)
So it's "stupid" that they nabbed an illegal alien using a fake I.D., eh? :confused:

I'd say that's a pretty good day's work, myself. :)

I've thought long & hard about this, and I still can't come up with a connection with civil aviation security.

Spiff Jan 11, 2008 6:30 pm

Again, Idiot Kip Hawley probably still doesn't understand that this type of stupidity is why he and the TSA are despised and ridiculed.

LessO2 Jan 11, 2008 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 9052397)
So it's "stupid" that they nabbed an illegal alien using a fake I.D., eh? :confused:

I'd say that's a pretty good day's work, myself. :)


One down, 12 million to go. :rolleyes:

LessO2 Jan 11, 2008 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9052343)
TSA's behavior detection and document checking officers have been busy this month. Just last week, a TSA behavior detection officer in Florida observed an individual in the public area of the airport, prior to the checkpoint, displaying suspicious behavior and contacted the airport police.

The police interviewed the individual, who was not traveling. During the interview, the individual threatened the officers and became combative.

Further investigation by law enforcement revealed that the individual has a felony probationary status and previous criminal history including loitering, robbery with a weapon, disorderly conduct, resisting an officer and battery. The police removed the individual from airport property.


Wow. Can the TSA be any more desperate for positive publicity?

Spiff Jan 11, 2008 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9052681)
Wow. Can the TSA be any more desperate for positive publicity?

Given their current place in the Popularity Spectrum, all they really can go from being akin to dog feces is positive. @:-)

N830MH Jan 11, 2008 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9052537)
Again, Idiot Kip Hawley probably still doesn't understand that this type of stupidity is why he and the TSA are despised and ridiculed.

Yeah, unfortunately someone will be deported from USA. It was charges as fake identify was trying to get through checkpoint. THey will gets secondary screening and after TSO will notified to law enforcements will be arrested them. IT doesn't sense from TSA has more problems by false identify to get onto the planes.

MrAndy1369 Jan 11, 2008 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 9053143)
Yeah, unfortunately someone will be deported from USA. It was charges as fake identify was trying to get through checkpoint. THey will gets secondary screening and after TSO will notified to law enforcements will be arrested them. IT doesn't sense from TSA has more problems by false identify to get onto the planes.

If I read that correctly, your point is that TSA has better things to do than check for fake ID's, right?

thezipper Jan 11, 2008 9:16 pm

so.... someone who was leaving the US, is arrested, now in custody, which we are paying for, will be provided a lawyer, which we will be paying for, and then deported, which we will pay for...

hmmm.... we could have just taken his prints and biometric info and let him leave the country and caught him/her the next time they tried to enter... but no, we got a "big fish" with this SPOT on program... :td:


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9052343)
In California, a transportation security officer specially trained in document checking identified a suspect passport presented by a Singapore-bound passenger.

The officer notified a nearby TSA behavior detection officer, who responded and confirmed that the passenger was exhibiting suspicious behavior. Airport police, as well as the FBI, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) were notified and interviewed the passenger.

During the interview, the FBI determined that the passenger had provided false identification, and that his passport and other identification did not match. Further investigation indicated he was here illegally. The individual was taken into custody by CBP and escorted to a detention center, pending further charges.


bocastephen Jan 11, 2008 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by thezipper (Post 9053262)
...this SPOT on program... :td:

Which we are also paying for - billions and billions and billions.

Maybe they figured out how to kill Bin Laden - make him laugh himself to death.


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