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Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 8995593)
Vassilipan - thank you for the explanation. I haven't done many admin searches (other than inventory), so that's new territory for me.
Also, I had this sent to me as part of a longer email documenting the biggest cases facing LE this year: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently reaffirmed its ruling that a passenger entering a secure zone at an airport may not leave the secure zone as an alternative to a required security search. Xiphos previously reported that the decision in United States v. Aukai, 440 F.3d 1168 (9th Cir. 2006), had been scheduled for reconsideration by the full panel of the court (known as an "en banc" hearing). The court moved away from a thirty-year old precedent that based security searches on consent by the traveler. Following a case decided by the Third Circuit, in United States v. Hartwell, 436 F.3d 174 (3rd Cir. 2006), the court ruled that suspicionless security screenings are constitutional under the Fourth Amendment''s special needs doctrine. Under the special needs doctrine, a search or seizure is allowed if it supports services special governmental needs, beyond ordinary law enforcement need, that outweigh an individual''s privacy expectations, and the circumstances of the search (such as a transportation security zone search requiring expediency) make it impractical to require a warrant or to impose a requirement of individual reasonable suspicion. United States v. Aukai, 497 F.3d 955 (9th Cir. 2007). 1. "a passenger entering a secure zone at an airport may not leave the secure zone as an alternative to a required security search." Where does the "secure zone" begin? When do you begin entering it at which you can no longer withdraw consent? What is the court's signage requirements informing people what they will, by their actions, be submitting to? 2. "services special governmental needs, beyond ordinary law enforcement need." Does this mean that any evidence seized that fall into the realm of "law enforcement" outside of the "special governmental need" may not be seized under the special exception? (i.e.: drugs, bootleg software, "illegal" cash, fake IDs)? The context of this ruling does not appear to have considered SPOTniks and their interrogations. Of course, absent any contrary guidance or established/reaffirmed legal constraints, it's in Kippie's best interests to do anything he wants until someone tells him to stop. If the playoff games this weekend are blow-outs, I may decide to find & read the United States v. Aukai decision. The best thing is that this was decided fairly recently, which means it was within the context of the present-day TSA. |
As a counter note, here is an example of an administrative search which one cannot withdraw from - a search before being taken into jail. You cannot withdraw from being taken to jail, yet you cannot enter the jail without be searched - in this case, the court's ruling would be appropriate; just not in the case of airport searches. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 8995659)
The court is establishing the legal basis to conduct a search without a warrant - they are still not understaninding the true, underlying basis for the search, and that is voluntarily accepting the search as the 'price' to enter a restricted area.
Yes, the search is allowed as it supports special governmental needs and outweighs an individual's privacy expectation, but only to the extent that individual wishes to enter the restricted area. The court failed to understand that entering the restricted area is voluntary conduct, thus the search is voluntary and an individual should be able to withhold consent for the search if the decide to terminate the behavior which supports the search - removing themselves from entry to the restricted area. You cannot withdraw from the search AND enter the restricted area, but the act of withdrawing from the restricted area means the justification for the search is moot and the individual should have the right to terminate it unless a warrant is secured or probable cause exists - in which case, the individual must be informed their search is no longer administrative and is now criminal and anything found in the search can be used as evidence against them, AND they have the right to withhold permission for the search unless a warrant is secured. As with other administrative searches, concepts of implied consent and the ability to revoke that consent apply also to the security search situation. In the context of airports, consent is implied by entering public premises where searches are known to occur and have signs posted indicating the nature of searches.[27] Related specifically to airport security searches, the courts have split on whether once an administrative search has begun consent can be revoked.[28] The holding that consent cannot be revoked, and that consent is implied by going to a security checkpoint, is United States v. Skipwith (5th Cir. 1973), whose reasoning focused mainly on the consequences of policy of allowing revocation.[29] The court noted that it is bad public policy to allow a would-be security threat to leave when faced with a search, only to allow them to return in the future for further attempts at breaching security, stating that it would encourage such attempts.[30] Best said in United States v. Herzbrun, (11th Cir.1984), a broad right to leave would constitute a one-way street for the benefit of a party planning airport mischief, since there is no guarantee that if he were allowed to leave he might not return and be more successful.[31] In contrast to Skipwith, United States v. Miner (9th Cir. 1973) held that implied consent could be revoked if done verbally and affirmatively. In such cases the person would be denied the ability to board the aircraft, and further searching would only be justified if the person reinstated implied consent by wanting to board the aircraft.[32] A more recent case in the post-9/11 world has followed the Skipwith logic and present an interesting question regarding Blob Analysis. United States v. Hartwell (E.D. Pa. 2003) followed Skipwith stating that the Fourth Amendment does not require the TSA agents to give a prospective passenger who has triggered an alarm the option of avoiding a secondary search by choosing not to fly.[33] Torbet v. United Airlines, Inc. (9th Cir.2002) follows this logic as well, where beginning to go through security procedures constituted implied consent, even to further scrutiny after one’s belongings had passed through the x-ray machine.[34] Source: http://law.case.edu/student_life/org...ent.asp?id=177
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 8995659)
As a counter note, here is an example of an administrative search which one cannot withdraw from - a search before being taken into jail. You cannot withdraw from being taken to jail, yet you cannot enter the jail without be searched - in this case, the court's ruling would be appropriate; just not in the case of airport searches.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 8996104)
Wasn't this the reason that Chertoff wanted to train fire marshalls and building inspectors to "look for suspicious things" while performing their official duties? It's apparent that Chertoff was using the ruse of a fire inspection, for which the property owner presumably granted consent, to conduct a law enforcement (or thought police in the case of document reading materials and other contents of a dwelling) search for which the property owner was never asked to consent nor a warrant obtained.
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8996506)
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A more recent case in the post-9/11 world has followed the Skipwith logic and present an interesting question regarding Blob Analysis. United States v. Hartwell (E.D. Pa. 2003) followed Skipwith stating that the Fourth Amendment does not require the TSA agents to give a prospective passenger who has triggered an alarm the option of avoiding a secondary search by choosing not to fly.[33] Torbet v. United Airlines, Inc. (9th Cir.2002) follows this logic as well, where beginning to go through security procedures constituted implied consent, even to further scrutiny after one’s belongings had passed through the x-ray machine.[34] Source: http://law.case.edu/student_life/org...ent.asp?id=177... Do these decisions establish when an individual is subject to a search? For example: In the context of airports, consent is implied by entering public premises where searches are known to occur and have signs posted indicating the nature of searches. The holding that consent cannot be revoked, and that consent is implied by going to a security checkpoint, is United States v. Skipwith TSA policy seems to support withdrawing from a search prior to the actual search commencing, even if someone is standing in line and has presented themselves to the checkpoint or even search device. |
Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8996520)
I forgot about that, but yes, under the cloak of an administrative search, one could discover illegal activities and report to law enforcement. Law enforcement would have to obtain a search warrant, but the underlying facts and circumstances would certainly support the reason(s) for the warrant.
Again, I hold the view that an administrative search can never be converted to a criminal search without the complete consent of the individual being searched. I am beginning to the grow the opinion that this concept cannot be over-ridden by a warrant. If the individual refuses the criminal search, the fruits of the administrative search cannot be used as the basis for any further proceeding against that individual - no probable cause, arrest, detention, warrant or otherwise. |
Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8996506)
This is a search incidental to arrest, not an administrative search. Covered as an exception to the 4th Amendment search warrant requirement.
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8996520)
I forgot about that, but yes, under the cloak of an administrative search, one could discover illegal activities and report to law enforcement. Law enforcement would have to obtain a search warrant, but the underlying facts and circumstances would certainly support the reason(s) for the warrant.
1. exigent circumstances led to the LEO being there (fire in the building and the first responder goes in to get everyone out) and 2. plain view doctrine (so long as the LEO had a right to be there (see above) then anything the LEO views in plain view is admissible) That's as my memory serves, at least. It's been a while since I've been on patrol. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 8996686)
Why doesn't this doctrine apply at airports? If the fruits of an administrative search are transfered to a criminal search, the individual should be able to refuse the criminal search until a warrant is secured.
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Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 8996757)
If it were LE instead of another agency, this would be covered in two parts:
1. exigent circumstances led to the LEO being there (fire in the building and the first responder goes in to get everyone out) and 2. plain view doctrine (so long as the LEO had a right to be there (see above) then anything the LEO views in plain view is admissible) That's as my memory serves, at least. It's been a while since I've been on patrol. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 8996734)
Unless it's an inventory search, correct?
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 8996622)
Do these decisions establish when an individual is subject to a search? For example:
Can someone be forcibly searched in a non-sterile area (ticket counter, baggage claim, gift shop, restaurant) because they are present in an environment where searches are known to occur?
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 8996622)
Did this case establish an answer to the above question - when is consent given by 'going to a security checkpoint' - getting in line, presenting a boarding pass and ID, approaching the actual search devices, or passing through a search device?
TSA policy seems to support withdrawing from a search prior to the actual search commencing, even if someone is standing in line and has presented themselves to the checkpoint or even search device. |
Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8997098)
Yes, but I believe the comment was in the context of the search of a person.
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
(Post 8997154)
Very good question to which I don't have a good answer. I think LEO would be summoned and a search would commence under "exigent circumstances" or an overwhelming public safety interest.
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Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9006441)
Or Terry, perhaps, if it was weapon-related.
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