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flualot Dec 29, 2007 9:13 am

The 4 SSSS ?
 
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bocastephen Dec 29, 2007 9:19 am

she put that on your passport?? That is totally wrong and should have been reported to the airline Ground Security Coordinator and the screener's supervisor. Are you sure it was marked on your actual passport?

The 'SSS' is the secret:rolleyes: code which indicates you need a secondary inspection - if she pulled you out of line, then you were either 'SPOTted' (deemed suspicious) or she didn't like you for some reason.

'SSSS' is usually issued on the BP automatically by the airline if you meet certain selection criteria (one way ticket, pay with cash, etc.) - those are hard to remove.

If a screener every writes SSSS or marks your bp for secondary and another checkpoint is available to you in the terminal, just leave the line, go back to the airline to get a new BP (use the kiosk or tell the agent you lost the bp) and go to a new checkpoint.

LessO2 Dec 29, 2007 10:06 am

Wow, she wrote that on your Passport? Technically, that Passport is property of the issuing Government and is illegal to tamper with them. If you can find out who did that, i would contact airport officials and law enforcement.

ESpen36 Dec 29, 2007 2:01 pm

Clearly, the TSA agent didn't like something about you and wanted to make sure that you got "extra attention" and more searches throughout your trip. Were you dressed in a very unusual manner? Did you have an unusual amount of luggage? Basically, did you seem at all out of the ordinary that might have attracted the attention of TSA?

Cholula Dec 29, 2007 2:43 pm

flualot, welcome to FlyerTalk and the Travel Safety/Security Forum!

Goldlust Dec 29, 2007 2:56 pm

I got the SSSS on my BPs going LHR-SFO-SYD in late November. On the return trip as well. Only extra gate security going into the USA (that is: leaving LHR for SFO and leaving SYD for SFO). Going out of the USA, I gather United Airlines do not care if the plane is blown up.

Palal Dec 29, 2007 3:29 pm

Did she write it or was it a sticker?

Palal Dec 29, 2007 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8970116)
So after doing a search here and finding nothing that explains what & how the 4 SSSS means on our passports,ect.

Booked the trip months in advanced ,no crimnal records and yet got treated like crap.

TIA

A lot of people get this and don't have a criminal record. It's another one of those stupid "Security" measures. Sorry you had a bad experience :(.

b1513 Dec 29, 2007 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8970116)
Greetings,
on our last flight from OIA
So after doing a search here and finding nothing that explains what & how the 4 SSSS means on our passports,ect.

Check out the Glossary where you can find out what many of these terms mean. Hope you'll find it helpful.

Welcome to Flyertalk.

flualot Dec 29, 2007 4:54 pm

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Gargoyle Dec 29, 2007 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8971883)
The wife gets this crap everytime she flys, her trips booked thur the GOV.office using GOV CCards and yet it never fails as they pull her out of line to give her the extra treatment.

Sounds like she's on the "do not fly" list, a completely useless list of over 100k names that sound like names of people suspected of being bad guys. Anyone with a similar name gets this abuse, while the real terrorists simply fly under other than their own names.

Yet another example of TSA procedures inconveniencing law abiding citizens while causing al Qaeda types to chuckle.

bocastephen Dec 29, 2007 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8971883)
Sorry it was a sticker on the passports and handwritten in BIG RED on the BP's.

Not sure if your trip is now over, but I hope you've removed the stickers - next time, just remove them after you clear security or get new BPs, remove the stickers and find another checkpoint.

Goldlust Dec 29, 2007 8:09 pm

If I were to guess, I would say I was probably redflagged for:
1) Booking flight only a week before
2) Flying out of LHR while being resident of CPH
3) Being upgraded by someone else

PatrickHenry1775 Dec 29, 2007 11:34 pm

OP's wife makes the mistake of using a credit card in someone else's name to buy the tickets for her flights. One of the criteria for assigning SSSS is purchasing ticket with a credit card with a different name than the passenger. When I started traveling extensively in October 2002, I was instructed to use the law firm credit card to book flights through a travel agency. Wonderful airlines assigned SSSS on virtually every flight. A$$ clowns:mad:

MrAndy1369 Dec 29, 2007 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 (Post 8973038)
OP's wife makes the mistake of using a credit card in someone else's name to buy the tickets for her flights. One of the criteria for assigning SSSS is purchasing ticket with a credit card with a different name than the passenger. When I started traveling extensively in October 2002, I was instructed to use the law firm credit card to book flights through a travel agency. Wonderful airlines assigned SSSS on virtually every flight. A$$ clowns:mad:

Strange. When my parents bought my flights using their credit card, I never got SSSSed.

PatrickHenry1775 Dec 29, 2007 11:59 pm


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 8973064)
Strange. When my parents bought my flights using their credit card, I never got SSSSed.


You have the same last name as your parents, right? I was not a name partner at the law firm, and OP stated his wife uses a government credit card.

b1513 Dec 30, 2007 9:40 am


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8970116)
Greetings,
on our last flight from OIA to Amsterdam TIA

Where is OIA? Couldn't find it in airport look-up.

flualot Dec 30, 2007 10:02 am

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ewick12 Dec 30, 2007 11:25 am

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SirFlysALot Dec 30, 2007 11:48 am


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8974214)

OIA = Orlando International Airport, sorry I just did a search and found out its listed as MCO.

MCO stands for Mouse Country! ;)

Anyway I have had corporate travel agents put my tickets on a corporate credit card. Never an SSSS.

Ari Dec 30, 2007 6:40 pm

I have only gotten SSSS once; it was on UA. I have no idea what triggered it and they refused to de-select me. I promptly refunded the ticket (telling them why) and bought a new ticket on AA. No SSSS on that ticket and off to the gate I was.

colpuck Dec 31, 2007 12:14 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 8976118)
I have only gotten SSSS once; it was on UA. I have no idea what triggered it and they refused to de-select me. I promptly refunded the ticket (telling them why) and bought a new ticket on AA. No SSSS on that ticket and off to the gate I was.

security money well spent.:td::td::td:

nacirema Dec 31, 2007 12:32 am

I have paid cash at the airport for a US-BKK ticket. I have bought one way tickets. A friend paid for couple of my tickets with her CC. Never SSSS.

The only time I did get SSSS was at the begining of a simple domestic R/T at my homeport. I used my CC to purchase the ticket. The TA knows me so she offered to take the SSSS out but I was running late so I declined. No biggie.

catocony Dec 31, 2007 9:37 am


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 (Post 8973038)
OP's wife makes the mistake of using a credit card in someone else's name to buy the tickets for her flights. One of the criteria for assigning SSSS is purchasing ticket with a credit card with a different name than the passenger. When I started traveling extensively in October 2002, I was instructed to use the law firm credit card to book flights through a travel agency. Wonderful airlines assigned SSSS on virtually every flight. A$$ clowns:mad:

Nope, if that was the case then just about everyone would be secondaried, since most business travelers have corporate accounts that book/bill tickets and I doubt that couples and families traveling put each ticket on seperate PNRs under each person's credit card. Plus, I've booked plenty of travel for the fiance for her to fly solo to come visit (international travel) and never had a problem.

DevilDog438 Dec 31, 2007 9:51 am


Originally Posted by flualot (Post 8971883)
Sorry it was a sticker on the passports and handwritten in BIG RED on the BP's.

If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.

Ari Dec 31, 2007 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by colpuck (Post 8977179)
security money well spent.:td::td::td:

Agreed-- it is just more evidence of what a farce SSSS really is. Of course, we already knew that anyway . . .

Ari Dec 31, 2007 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 8978644)
If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.

Stickers go on the outside of passports all the time.

If you don't like what the sticker says, remove it. @:-)

Goldlust Jan 1, 2008 10:18 am

Question at law
 

Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 8978644)
If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 8980437)
Stickers go on the outside of passports all the time.

If you don't like what the sticker says, remove it. @:-)

Who of you are right?

gfunkdave Jan 1, 2008 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by Goldlust (Post 8983947)
Who of you are right?

I've gotten stickers put on the outside of my passport many times - by immigration officers, airline employees, and others. But the only people who do anything INSIDE my passport are customs/immigration types.

nacirema Jan 1, 2008 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 8978644)
If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.

what about visa stickers placed by foreign immigration services?

Ari Jan 2, 2008 3:04 pm


Originally Posted by Goldlust (Post 8983947)
Who of you are right?

The two are not mutually exclusive-- illegal things "happen all the time" notwithstanding that they may be illegal.

As far as the poster's assertion that it is a violation of US law, no normal person would interpret that law to apply to stickers on the outside of a passport.

cordata Jan 2, 2008 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 8978644)
If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.

It is very common in Europe to place a security sticker on the back of US and other passports.

Goldlust Jan 3, 2008 1:55 am

Danes are criminals and Danish police are criminals too
 

Originally Posted by Ari (Post 8991222)
The two are not mutually exclusive-- illegal things "happen all the time" notwithstanding that they may be illegal.

I agree with you on that! In fact, most of my countrymen are revolting and amoral criminals despite the fact that most never see the inside of a jail cell.


Originally Posted by cordata (Post 8993254)
It is very common in Europe to place a security sticker on the back of US and other passports.

When I check in at CPH it is the norm that my baggage claim tags are affixed too the front, or more often back, of my passport. Quite annoying but hardly a big crime. The Danish police would laugh if I were to complain about that. Yet, they prefer to laugh at their citizens, when they are not killing them.

dannythecat Jan 3, 2008 12:46 pm

I've only been SSSSed three times so far. Once was on CO on a company-purchased ticket. Oddly enough, I was travelling with a TV crew, all of whom were toting as much gear as they could as carryons, whilst all I had was one tiny overnight bag and a book. Out of the 8 of us, I got the SSSS.

The other two occasions were last-minute-ticket-syndrome. Once at MKE, when an AA flight I had boarded went mechanical and they put me on YX & AK to get home, and once at FLL - my husband and I switched our flights from AC to US at the last minute to avoid weather cancellations in YYZ and we both got the SSSS. I had brought back some mini-jams from Harbour Island (all <100ml and sealed in a Kippie, of course!) and the TSA agents had fun checking each jam to make sure it really was guava and not some kind of fruity tropical explosive.

jetboyds Jan 3, 2008 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 (Post 8973038)
OP's wife makes the mistake of using a credit card in someone else's name to buy the tickets for her flights. One of the criteria for assigning SSSS is purchasing ticket with a credit card with a different name than the passenger. When I started traveling extensively in October 2002, I was instructed to use the law firm credit card to book flights through a travel agency. Wonderful airlines assigned SSSS on virtually every flight. A$$ clowns:mad:

I want to comment but am bound by Federal Regulations not to discuss this further.

Also, as has already been discussed on numerous other threads, the SSSS could be part of the TSA watchlist processing (currently run by the carriers), or could be the 'random' component that is part of CAPPS (TSA rules but run by the carriers).

:rolleyes:

bocastephen Jan 3, 2008 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by jetboyds (Post 8997634)
I want to comment but am bound by Federal Regulations not to discuss this further.

Also, as has already been discussed on numerous other threads, the SSSS could be part of the TSA watchlist processing (currently run by the carriers), or could be the 'random' component that is part of CAPPS (TSA rules but run by the carriers).

:rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sure you can comment if you want to - this is an anonymous forum. Either way, we've already discussed a number of ways to get SSSS

1) last minute ticket purchase
2) last minute or multiple seat changes (not seen for awhile as a trigger, used to be a big flag on AA)
3) cash or traceless payment
4) purchase not made by passenger
5) one-way flight (hit and miss on this one)
6) open-jaw flight (hit and miss on this one)
7) certain CAPPS tracks - being flagged for seating or flight proximity with a person flagged by CAPPS or on watch list, or taking multiple flights with someone on a watch list
8) airline agent manual add - being flagged by airline employee

The only terrorist who is going to be caught by using SSSS screening is Mr. Ahmed Magoo.

xeguy Jan 4, 2008 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 8978644)
If this sticker was placed on a USA passport by anyone other than a member of the State Department's passport division, it is a violation of 18 USC 1543 as an invalid alteration/mutilation of a USA passport.

That has to do w/ forgery or false use. As long as they don't sticker the interior no one seems to have a problem.

Superguy Jan 4, 2008 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 (Post 8973038)
OP's wife makes the mistake of using a credit card in someone else's name to buy the tickets for her flights. One of the criteria for assigning SSSS is purchasing ticket with a credit card with a different name than the passenger. When I started traveling extensively in October 2002, I was instructed to use the law firm credit card to book flights through a travel agency. Wonderful airlines assigned SSSS on virtually every flight. A$$ clowns:mad:

I buy tix for my ex-wife and kid on separate itineraries on my credit card. They never get flagged. Buy them thru my UA account and they have UA MP numbers so maybe that helps.


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