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trooper Dec 30, 2007 4:23 pm

I have travelled to, from and within the USA - probably up to about 30 or 40 Int & domestic check ins combined by now.. with firearms.

Never had a problem. My experiences are much like the one described by the OP... quick and professional. Don't recall the case ever being "unpacked" however. Maybe not always the "friendliest" (except in DEN where the TSA guys we dealt with, while retaining their professionalism, were a HOOT!:D) but I'm not really sure that is grounds for even a minor complaint....;)

I have carried a powder thrower in my hand luggage (I had been loading/shooting Pyrodex loads that trip - a Black Powder substitute if that helps) and it was pulled out and wiped.. I thought THAT swab would cause the machine to react.. but no... sporting propellant residues clearly are NOT a problem (IME anyway!)

The screener I was dealing with was quite confused by this device of mine so she (quite rightly IMO) followed "procedure"..... another screener several machines away must have been a handloader.. he kept trying to tell her "It's OK, it's just a powder thrower!" :D

On a LESS happy note.... We had always been told that transiting - even NYC - was not a problem as long as we carried the registration confirmation for the competition we were on our way to....

Not sure I would now feel safe doing so.... If US citizens are being harassed like this.. what chance has a foreigner got?

Simple (but possibly more $$$) solution of course... avoid such transit citys....

are8 Dec 30, 2007 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by Lurker1999 (Post 8971406)
When was this? My understanding of the Firearm Owners Protection Act is that it grants protections for legal gun owners travelling through jurisdictions where the gun laws are different/stricter than those of their resident state.

Three years ago one of my classmates spent the night in Jail in NYC for having a legal handgun but transiting through NYC (airport). I dont know the details other than that, but he got a laywer to get him out the next day. I do know they did not give him his handgun back.

are8 Dec 30, 2007 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by Wiirachay (Post 8969769)
Awesome. I've been saying for quite some time that I need to get an antique, non-functioning gun (part) that doesn't require a gun permit so I can force TSA to call me to be present during a manual bag search.

Some states require a handgun saftey certification card (a small test you take to show basic saftey) to purchase a handgun (not rifle), but there is no state that I know of that requires a "gun permit". As long as you dont have a criminal record, it is a right that all citizens have.

vassilipan Dec 30, 2007 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by are8 (Post 8975742)
Some states require a handgun saftey certification card (a small test you take to show basic saftey) to purchase a handgun (not rifle), but there is no state that I know of that requires a "gun permit". As long as you dont have a criminal record, it is a right that all citizens have.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=74

SpaceCoastBill Dec 30, 2007 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 8975526)
No officer discretion? :(

Apparently not there.

Read the stories, You would gag seeing what happened to these people who broke no laws and were operating within FOPA.

Ridiculous. NYC airports and PAPD of NY NJ should loose millions on civil suits.

law dawg Dec 30, 2007 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by billinaz (Post 8976433)
Apparently not there.

Read the stories, You would gag seeing what happened to these people who broke no laws and were operating within FOPA.

Ridiculous. NYC airports and PAPD of NY NJ should loose millions on civil suits.

It's truly sad.

:td:

oneant Dec 30, 2007 11:07 pm

I checked a Winchester shotgun in case on AA from PHX to DFW this summer. Oddly, the TA asked me to open the case and clear it (show her that the weapon was not loaded). I was a bit surprised as I didn't think some random, female (don't mean to be sexist there) agent would know what the hell she was looking at.

Anyway, I unlocked the case, pulled out the shotgun at the ticket counter, with people in line behind me, and pumped that sucker as loud as I could. She actually jumped a bit.

Anyway, it went through TSA locked and they just scanned it through the machine. Came out in DFW in the spot where golf clubs come out.

No problems.

mmartin4600 Dec 30, 2007 11:23 pm

Bet you got some folks attention doing that!

oneant Dec 30, 2007 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by mmartin4600 (Post 8977073)
Bet you got some folks attention doing that!

I actually thought I'd get dive-tackled by LEO's. Some idiot with a shotgun at the ticket counter must raise some red flags. Apparently not. Apparently, it's just liquid that really ruffles their feathers. :p

erictank Jan 1, 2008 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 8974017)
Are they doing it because the person carried the gun to the airport that day? As in - you shouldn't have had this to begin with (I totally disagree with those strict gun laws in DC and Chicago, et al, but it's their laws, not mine!)? Or is it transiting, layover harassment? Does it make a difference?

Yes it does make a difference, as [the relevant section of] FOPA '86 only protects those IN TRANSIT - the firearm must be legal at point of origin and at destination. If you weren't supposed to be able to have it where you started from, you're still on the hook for criminal possession. This is not a Second Amendment board, so I'll attempt to resist further pontification :D.

There are numerous cases, at least one referenced on this board IIRC, where travellers have been hassled (up to and including being thrown in jail) for travelling with a declared firearm through NYC airports.

exerda Jan 1, 2008 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by StinkyCheese (Post 8973712)
I asked the TSA agent specifically about the powder residue. She said they were not "sniffing" for that. I guess it would take lots of pistol powder to cause damage. Even "fast" pistol powder burns pretty slowly, compared to something like two-comp.

True, but I would think it would still hit for the nitrate content. Smokeless powder should hit for the amount of nitrates present, the same as would nitroglycerine, given what I know of how GC/MS technology works (which is what the ETD uses). Still, I have had bags which have contained recently-fired handguns just prior to the trip which have not alarmed at ETD... hmm. But my laptop has alarmed ETD after being in that bag... methinks the ETD machines aren't as accurate or precise as they should be.


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 8975586)
I have carried a powder thrower in my hand luggage (I had been loading/shooting Pyrodex loads that trip - a Black Powder substitute if that helps) and it was pulled out and wiped.. I thought THAT swab would cause the machine to react.. but no... sporting propellant residues clearly are NOT a problem (IME anyway!)

As above, I'm surprised, given what I know of how specific ETD machines in use at airports work, that there was no alarm given the nitrate content of pyrodex... but your experience matches mine. I've used my range bag as a carry-on before (don't anymore; I have other bags for that) and had it swabbed a day after having been at the range without it alarming, despite it having contained several handguns fired that day + used brass in quantity.

SpaceCoastBill Jan 1, 2008 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8977028)
I checked a Winchester shotgun in case on AA from PHX to DFW this summer. Oddly, the TA asked me to open the case and clear it (show her that the weapon was not loaded). I was a bit surprised as I didn't think some random, female (don't mean to be sexist there) agent would know what the hell she was looking at.

Anyway, I unlocked the case, pulled out the shotgun at the ticket counter, with people in line behind me, and pumped that sucker as loud as I could. She actually jumped a bit.

Anyway, it went through TSA locked and they just scanned it through the machine. Came out in DFW in the spot where golf clubs come out.

No problems.


I had the same thing happpen to me in Fort Myers,FL.

Instead of going to a private area like we should have, the ticket agent wanted proof my Glock was unloaded.....

So I proved it by picking it up in front of a crowd of people and racking the slide!....

trooper Jan 2, 2008 2:48 am

Had to "show clear" once at check in... but that was a few years ago now... hasn't happened since.

Had a lever rifle, a SXS shotgun and a pair of single action revolvers... musta looked good to the folks in the line!!:D


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