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Old Dec 16, 2007, 6:56 pm
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Angry Domestic ONLY Travel/Security Question on Warrants and Immigration for example

This question is only related to domestic only travel with lower 48.

Is our the government, big brother and/or airlines now checking that DHS consolidated database for Criminal Background checks/warrant checks, immigration violations etc...

Meaning if someone flew on a short domestic flight he/she could be arrested for a outstanding warrant or immigration violation.

If it is not happening yet, I bet its only a matter of time.... No civil rights left in US.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 7:34 pm
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It does not appear that this is happening yet, though it's probably part of the proposals for Secure Flight.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
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Police have been arresting wanted people for years at airports. Just read the newspapers.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
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OK, I'll ask the obvious question. Why would you not want a wanted criminal to be arrested?
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
OK, I'll ask the obvious question. Why would you not want a wanted criminal to be arrested?
It's not the opposition to the arrest of wanted criminals (or suspected criminals) -- it's opposition to airports being used in a domestic dragnet and airlines acting like cheap government informants.

Add in the likelihood of mistaken identity and that even if there is a wanted criminal, perhaps a busy public place like an airport may not be a good place to "pick a fight" or the best place to pick up a wanted criminal or suspect.

Also, not everyone welcomes America behaving increasingly like the defeated Soviet Union of yesteryears -- a USSR that also loved to do all sorts of police operations at airports and train and bus stations.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
OK, I'll ask the obvious question. Why would you not want a wanted criminal to be arrested?
An airport is a public-use space, not a dragnet for catching people. One of our most cherished freedoms (what's left of it) is our right to travel within our own country, un-impeded by internal visas or other requirements.

Turning the airport or any travel facility into another dragnet to catch people is simply unacceptable. There are plenty of other ways and opportunities to catch people wanted on warrants and other violations.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
OK, I'll ask the obvious question. Why would you not want a wanted criminal to be arrested?
Why not be subject to background checks when moving about in your own country? After all, you have nothing to hide, right?

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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
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Why not be subject to background checks when moving about in your own country? After all, you have nothing to hide, right?
Do you truly believe that someone with outstanding warrants would put themselves in a position (like applying for a job for instance) that would require a background check? That aside, the message you are sending then is that airports are some kid of "safety zone"? A felon need only get to CVG and shout "all in free" or something? Sorry, I don't want him on my flight, he's all yours.

And as far as my own background is concerned, take your best shot. I'm willing to bet any amount you like that my background has been investigated to a greater degree than anyone on this board, with the possible exception of Bart.

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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:43 pm
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An airport is a public-use space,.
Got it. As is an Interstate highway. And Lord knows, if you get pulled over or are involved in accident there, the state troopers never "run your license", right?
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Do you truly believe that someone with outstanding warrants would put themselves in a position (like applying for a job for instance) that would require a background check? That aside, the message you are sending then is that airports are some kid of "safety zone"? A felon need only get to CVG and shout "all in free" or something? Sorry, I don't want him on my flight, he's all yours.

And as far as my own background is concerned, take your best shot. I'm willing to bet any amount you like that my background has been investigated to a greater degree than anyone on this board, with the possible exception of Bart.

Hey, I wanna play! Four SBIs (not counting periodics)/TS-SCI with VRK. All that and a quarter and I can get a cup of joe LOL
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Do you truly believe that someone with outstanding warrants would put themselves in a position (like applying for a job for instance) that would require a background check? That aside, the message you are sending then is that airports are some kid of "safety zone"? A felon need only get to CVG and shout "all in free" or something? Sorry, I don't want him on my flight, he's all yours.

And as far as my own background is concerned, take your best shot. I'm willing to bet any amount you like that my background has been investigated to a greater degree than anyone on this board, with the possible exception of Bart.
I guarantee you my "background" has been, is, and will be "investigated" more than yours and bart's combined, by more countries, agencies, and entities than I care to remember sometimes, for various reasons. I still don't need random feckless hacks checking me or getting my information. Felons fly with people everyday, it hasn't been a huge problem lately...

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Old Dec 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
I'm willing to bet any amount you like that my background has been investigated to a greater degree than anyone on this board, with the possible exception of Bart.
I doubt that you are the most investigated person on FT or even second. But what does it matter? It doesn't. Just because you are comfortable with something does not mean that everyone else is -- or should be -- comfortable with it.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
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Hey, I wanna play! Four SBIs (not counting periodics)/TS-SCI with VRK. All that and a quarter and I can get a cup of joe LOL
I'll see your TS/SCI and raise you a full scope poly with additional compartments.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
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I'll see your TS/SCI and raise you a full scope poly with additional compartments.
At least it's not a full scope colonoscopy.
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Old Dec 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Got it. As is an Interstate highway. And Lord knows, if you get pulled over or are involved in accident there, the state troopers never "run your license", right?
They don't need to run my license and search my car before I get on the road, right?
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