Court Orders British Suspect Freed (in the alleged 'liquid explosives plot')
Nov 15, 2007, 1:46 pm
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Court Orders British Suspect Freed (in the alleged 'liquid explosives plot')
If memory serves, wasn't this the 'really bad guy' behind the alleged plot? You'll note that Britian isn't even trying to extradite him for the 'liquid explosives' plot, either-it's a completely unrelated investigation from 2002.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
Can I have my shampoo & toothpaste back now, please??
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
Can I have my shampoo & toothpaste back now, please??
Nov 15, 2007, 3:57 pm
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Of course he won't. By the TSA's logic that would reveal that they're on to him. Only people that are not real terror threats (i.e. dead, in jail, non-terrorist, etc.) get on the list.
Nov 15, 2007, 4:25 pm
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If memory serves, wasn't this the 'really bad guy' behind the alleged plot? You'll note that Britian isn't even trying to extradite him for the 'liquid explosives' plot, either-it's a completely unrelated investigation from 2002.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
Can I have my shampoo & toothpaste back now, please??
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
Can I have my shampoo & toothpaste back now, please??
Nov 15, 2007, 6:14 pm
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Uh, let's not all jump to conclusions here based on few facts.
First, we don't know why the Pakistanis decided to drop the case.
Second, that Britain asked for his extradition in connection with a 2002 murder plot is not evidence that the liquid bombing plot was fake.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
First, we don't know why the Pakistanis decided to drop the case.
Second, that Britain asked for his extradition in connection with a 2002 murder plot is not evidence that the liquid bombing plot was fake.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...h-Suspect.html
Nov 15, 2007, 6:31 pm
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Whether the bombing plot was real or not (who knows), the real issue is whether or not it was realistic. More than sufficient evidence exists from almost all scientific sources without a right-wing political agenda to promote, that the alleged plot was simply impossible to pull off as advertised.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Nov 15, 2007, 7:36 pm
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Whether the bombing plot was real or not (who knows), the real issue is whether or not it was realistic. More than sufficient evidence exists from almost all scientific sources without a right-wing political agenda to promote, that the alleged plot was simply impossible to pull off as advertised.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Nov 15, 2007, 8:05 pm
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Despite the available technology to detect explosives. Which, for some Bizarro-world reason, TSA refuses to deploy.
Nov 15, 2007, 9:26 pm
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I've written here multiple times about a device, not expensive, which is able to scan the contents of liquid containers without sample prep for the presence of chemicals - that device is no where to be found. Similar devices have been in use in Japan for a long time.
We still have nothing but security theater - and it's only by a wing and a prayer we've avoided disaster and mayhem so far.
Nov 16, 2007, 7:27 am
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New sniffer? Those are old machines - been around for a couple years, and most of them aren't being used anymore. They do not detect liquid explosives.
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We still have nothing but security theater - and it's only by a wing and a prayer we've avoided disaster and mayhem so far.
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We still have nothing but security theater - and it's only by a wing and a prayer we've avoided disaster and mayhem so far.
Nov 16, 2007, 9:17 am
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Nov 16, 2007, 12:21 pm
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Whether the bombing plot was real or not (who knows), the real issue is whether or not it was realistic. More than sufficient evidence exists from almost all scientific sources without a right-wing political agenda to promote, that the alleged plot was simply impossible to pull off as advertised.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Whether or not they are guilty of conspiracy is for a court of law to decide - but whether our liquids and toothpaste should continue being restricted is a matter of fact - they should not be.
There is still NOTHING to prevent someone from pre-mixing an explosive chemical compound and filling multiple 3.4oz containers with it, then combining them onboard for detonation. There is also NOTHING to prevent someone from forming a plastic explosive into the shape of any common item, like the sole of a shoe, and running it through the x-ray belt in their carry-on without it being detected.
NO risk has been mitigated by the liquid ban - in fact, the TSA continues to demonstrate that we are as equally at risk from explosive or chemical attack now than we were before the agency were created.
Nov 16, 2007, 3:35 pm
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Nov 16, 2007, 5:37 pm
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No, we know the liquid bombing plot was a fake from basic principles of chemistry.
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Nov 16, 2007, 7:33 pm
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It is important to keep the various scenarios clear. Lots of liquids (and solids) can go boom.
It was this specific plot that turned out to be a fake. Specifically, TATP synthesis in an aircraft loo.