Liquid Container size: 3 Ounce. Why not 3.4 = 100ml?

Old Nov 13, 07, 4:12 pm
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Exclamation Liquid Container size: 3 Ounce. Why not 3.4 = 100ml?

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/..._guidance.shtm

I remember this lady pack a huge bunch of containers with all her lady like liquids in white plastic bottles some of which were MUCH larger than the more than half empty HUGO BOSS Dark Blue perfume bottle of mine that was thrown into the Trash by this ridiculously adamant TSA person because it was 3.4 ounces.

I was recently perfume shopping for gifts for a lot of people and I realized that most bottles are 50 ml or 100 ml (3.4 ounce).

As a male frequent flyer I typically do not need 10 small bottles of things in the 'Quart' bag that has to be part of my Carry-on luggage. I avoid CHECKING bags on anything less than a 7-10 day trip.

I might carry one perfume or aftershave bottle with me besides the other necessities. Typically, all these could be fit into their so called quart bag.

Why can't we have the TSA realize this 100ml / 3.4oz industry standard for liquids and make the upper limit for single bottles of the size as that?

We have enough members here on FT as well as the ears of some of the Directors of Customer Experience who frequent the boards.

We are not asking for a revamp of the system.. but something that goes with a 'Standard value' v/s an arbitrary 3.0 oz - A size that most good things are not available in.

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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:30 pm
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You realize you're asking a rhetorical question right?

The liquids ban is a stupid rule to begin with, and you're asking the TSA to make a common sensical rule on the size of tiny bottles of liquids allowed?

Here are some more rhetorical question - why do I have to take my flip-flops off when walking through the WTMD? Why is that so deadly dangerous?

Why do I have to show my boarding pass to the ID checker (revenue protector) 10 feet from the WTMD, and then have to show it again at the WTMD? Are there some concerns a terrorist will be able to slip between the 10 feet from the ID checker and the WTMD??

You might as well go ask a dog why the sky is blue. At least the dog will answer honestly - that it won't be able to answer at all.

So what's the answer to your rhetorical question? The answer is - the TSA = utter lack of common sense.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:37 pm
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I believe the official rule is now 3.4 oz. Good lusck finding a TSO who knows that.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:40 pm
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Math is hard.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by amejr999 View Post
I believe the official rule is now 3.4 oz. Good lusck finding a TSO who knows that.
Can you please point out a link for that please? I'll probably keep a print out of that permanently for myself when I travel.

The link I posted might be dates but it states 3.0 oz

http://www.tsa.gov/311/index.shtm This too.

I AM NOT.. trying to ask a Rhetorical Question. I am trying to see if we can MAKE THIS HAPPEN. Its something that would be much easier to get through than dispose of the whole LIQUID thing.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:42 pm
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Why do we have a liquid ban in the first place?
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http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/311-broch-spanish.pdf says 3 oz./100ml.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...nslations.shtm mostly says 3 oz./90ml

TSA employees have been advised as of November 10, 2006, it's really 3.4oz/100ml to harmonize with the rest of the world, but the TSA web site is STILL wrong, as are many screeners. Most airlines and airport web sites have the correct data.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by 9Benua View Post
Why do we have a liquid ban in the first place?
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:47 pm
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Just buy 1 ounce toothpaste, etc., and worry about more important things.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by dfw_plt_aa View Post
Just buy 1 ounce toothpaste, etc., and worry about more important things.
Yes, like whether to ask my representatives to have the TSA just destroyed or also have its "leaders" imprisoned for life.
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Old Nov 13, 07, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by dfw_plt_aa View Post
Just buy 1 ounce toothpaste, etc., and worry about more important things.
Unfortunately, if I fly in from Europe, where we are metric, I can only buy things in 100ml quantities - hence the fact that TSA should be standardised to just about every other country in the world.

The option of 'just buy an ounce' is not an option I have unfortunately
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Originally Posted by Jenbel View Post
Unfortunately, if I fly in from Europe, where we are metric, I can only buy things in 100ml quantities - hence the fact that TSA should be standardised to just about every other country in the world.

The option of 'just buy an ounce' is not an option I have unfortunately
It really is 3.4 OZ, but some PR flack decided that 3-1-1 was an easy way to remember the rule. It worked so well that few realize its a guide line. Training and standardization.
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Originally Posted by TheRoadie View Post
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/311-broch-spanish.pdf says 3 oz./100ml.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...nslations.shtm mostly says 3 oz./90ml

TSA employees have been advised as of November 10, 2006, it's really 3.4oz/100ml to harmonize with the rest of the world, but the TSA web site is STILL wrong, as are many screeners. Most airlines and airport web sites have the correct data.
And many of the signs/videos at the checkpoint still have it wrong as well.
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It really is 3.4 OZ, but some PR flack decided that 3-1-1 was an easy way to remember the rule. It worked so well that few realize its a guide line. Training and standardization.
Caning and removal of substandards would be much better.
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This is slightly off topic, but I simply stopped taking my ziploc liquids bag out of my carry-on. I began doing this because I'm just lazy and forgetful, but quickly realized that when I leave it in the carry on, they don't even notice. So far it has been ignored inside my carry-on 13 out of 14 times (seriously - I'm tracking this). The one time they did notice.. "oops - I forgot to take it out." (No problem.)

So why bother taking it out and putting it in the bin seperately? When I do take it out, it is scrutinized for anything over 3 oz. When I don't, all of my liquids are ignored regardless of size (well, 93% of the time).

This basicaly tells me that the the liquids ban has been in place long enough now that TSOs are just keyed into checking the size of containers in your ziploc that is in the bin / on the belt and ignoring everything else. It's just my personal anecdotal experience, but pretty predictable. When checking your ID against your boarding pass first came about, they scrutinized the documents and matched the photo to my face. Now the screeners (not TSA, I know) just check that the names on the BP and ID match and don't even look at my face.

Back when the real concern was on knives instead of shoes and liquids, the TSA took out my keys and keychains everytime. In the last year I've travelled (unwittingly) at least 75k miles with a lanyard knife on my keyring and never been stopped. But at least those 3.4 oz bottles in the bags on the belts aren't getting through. Whew! What a relief!

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