FBI will have anyone you call a terrorist detained and deported at the airport
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FBI will have anyone you call a terrorist detained and deported at the airport
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071102...ArTqoWc2is0NUE
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The wife didn't want him to travel since she was sick and wanted him to help care for their children, regional daily Sydsvenska Dagbladet said without disclosing the couple's names.
When the husband refused to stay home, his father-in-law wrote an email to the FBI saying the son-in-law had links to al-Qaeda in Sweden and that he was travelling to the US to meet his contacts.
He provided information on the flight number and date of arrival in the US.
The son-in-law was arrested upon landing in Florida. He was placed in handcuffs, interrogated and placed in a cell for 11 hours before being put on a flight back to Europe, the paper said.
When the husband refused to stay home, his father-in-law wrote an email to the FBI saying the son-in-law had links to al-Qaeda in Sweden and that he was travelling to the US to meet his contacts.
He provided information on the flight number and date of arrival in the US.
The son-in-law was arrested upon landing in Florida. He was placed in handcuffs, interrogated and placed in a cell for 11 hours before being put on a flight back to Europe, the paper said.
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So why was this plane allowed to come into the US with a "known terrorist" on board? They've diverted for less.
I can't say I necessarily fault the FBI for at least interrogating as it had specific information. However, if I were the guy I'd be kicking my father-in-law's a$$ when I got back home. I think dad should be arrested by Swedish police for filing a false report too.
Guy's probably on the no-fly list and probably permabanned from the US.
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The detained man's soon to be ex-father-in-law has been charged by the Swedish authorities for aggravated libel. ^^
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He has admitted sending the email, but said he didn't think "the authorities were so stupid that they would believe anything. But apparently they are."
He said he "couldn't help the US authorities' paranoid reaction".
He said he "couldn't help the US authorities' paranoid reaction".
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And Chertoff and Hawley both need to be fired and permabanned from working in any government job, forever. That's not in dispute. The FBI agent who arrested the guy should be required to issue a written apology letter to the guy explaining what happened along with a settlement check for $5 million and be fired pending investigation. Oh, and then be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for false arrest, harassment and whatever else, both in civil and criminal court.
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He has admitted sending the email, but said he didn't think "the authorities were so stupid that they would believe anything. But apparently they are."
He said he "couldn't help the US authorities' paranoid reaction".
He said he "couldn't help the US authorities' paranoid reaction".
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2. The "US Gov't" doesn't have jurisdiction over Sweden so for the "US Gov't" to "bring their full force to bear" doesn't mean a whole lot as Sweden is unlikely to approve extradition in such a case and prosecutors in the US are unlikely to waste their time trying to push for extradition in a case like this if the prosecutors in the US have their head on straight.
Basically it appears that any malicious person who can send an anonymous email to a relevant FBI email address can cause a foreigner a headache on entry into the US and probably get away with it as long as they send it off from a public place or otherwise use anonymizing tools.
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And Chertoff and Hawley both need to be fired and permabanned from working in any government job, forever. That's not in dispute. The FBI agent who arrested the guy should be required to issue a written apology letter to the guy explaining what happened along with a settlement check for $5 million and be fired pending investigation. Oh, and then be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for false arrest, harassment and whatever else, both in civil and criminal court.
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And Chertoff and Hawley both need to be fired and permabanned from working in any government job, forever. That's not in dispute. The FBI agent who arrested the guy should be required to issue a written apology letter to the guy explaining what happened along with a settlement check for $5 million and be fired pending investigation. Oh, and then be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for false arrest, harassment and whatever else, both in civil and criminal court.
If we're going to go after all of these folks, let's aim for the top. None of these appointees would be in place without Dubya. Let's arrest everyone who voted for him and made this possible.
Come on folks. Going berserk in either direction just makes you look silly.
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What's really important here is incredibly sloppy counter-intelligence/police work. This was doomed from the start, because the motivation is "the big catch" and a desire to justify one's existence (TSA and DHS). Had anyone in the US government had even the slightest desire to do this right, things would have happened like this:
1. Disgruntled father-in-law sends email to FBI. Believe me, they get hundreds of these a week.
2. FBI says, "Is this real or is it just another crackpot?"
3. FBI contacts CIA, Swedish intelligence service, Interpol, etc, and says, "Do you have anything on this guy?"
4. Nothing turns up, FBI determines the email was from a crackpot, and the victim enters the US and is a welcome guest -- how we used to do things around here.
5. FBI's investigative work is inconclusive. Somebody says, "We think we might have a bad guy. Let's put a tail on him and maybe we'll find a bigger plot here at home." (i.e.: "The Big Catch.")
That's not how it works anymore. The motivation is to show the public and Congress how good you are at detaining and harassing people. That's how you justify your existence and how you keep getting money from Congress.
I look around every day and ask myself, "What happened to all the professionals?"
1. Disgruntled father-in-law sends email to FBI. Believe me, they get hundreds of these a week.
2. FBI says, "Is this real or is it just another crackpot?"
3. FBI contacts CIA, Swedish intelligence service, Interpol, etc, and says, "Do you have anything on this guy?"
4. Nothing turns up, FBI determines the email was from a crackpot, and the victim enters the US and is a welcome guest -- how we used to do things around here.
5. FBI's investigative work is inconclusive. Somebody says, "We think we might have a bad guy. Let's put a tail on him and maybe we'll find a bigger plot here at home." (i.e.: "The Big Catch.")
That's not how it works anymore. The motivation is to show the public and Congress how good you are at detaining and harassing people. That's how you justify your existence and how you keep getting money from Congress.
I look around every day and ask myself, "What happened to all the professionals?"