81 yr old, arrested and frogmarched through JFK. We're all safer now
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That being said, I don't want to go about making judgments based on a Daily Kos exclusive either
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"You bumptious moron. This depraved and indecent society for which you've appointed yourself decency guardian spends billions of dollars on the videogame industry, cultivating an obsessions with violence. Yet when you're in possession of a brass knuckle, well, that goes against everything we stand for. I move to dismiss, I move for cause, and I move that your honor sentence this idiot (point to prosecutor) to sensitivity training, preferrably for life." (modified Boston Legal quote)
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I'd like to think that all the guys said was "OK, just take it," without saying "what?? that's just a paperweight" first or anything of the sort. I'd also like to know what he was booked for, assuming the officers actually informed him of such.
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You missed the more relevant parts of the Wikipedia entry: 1) "In most countries, the possession, let alone use, of brass knuckles is not illegal" (my bolding, don't know about New York) and 2) "Brass knuckles can normally be purchased at flea markets, swap meets, and some sword and weapon shops" so it doesn't sound to me like there was anything inappropriate about the passenger's behaviour, as some on the board have suggested. It's oppression pure and simple.
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To make sure I have the facts straight:
Which part of this is an affront to the father? He made a mistake in packing it in his carry-on, and furthered the mistake by protesting to the TSA and LEOs. I have no sympathy for him in this situation.
- Passenger takes prohibited item through security checkpoint
- TSA actually finds it (great work, fellas)
- TSA informs passenger that item is prohibited
- Passenger protests and LEOs are called
- Passenger continues protest and LEOs arrest passenger
Which part of this is an affront to the father? He made a mistake in packing it in his carry-on, and furthered the mistake by protesting to the TSA and LEOs. I have no sympathy for him in this situation.
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Remember 2001?
I assume the folks at DailyKos who were big Daschle supporters remember and agree with this line. Continuing to read:
“You cannot professionalize unless you federalize.” That was the argument advanced by Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.
Originally Posted by Congressman Patrick Tiberi, 2001
It’s a nice slogan, but that’s all it is. Last year, watchdogs at the General Accounting Office tested the screening process at several federal agencies and airports. The GAO issued a sobering report detailing how it was able to breach security at our top agencies, including the FBI and CIA. If you haven’t already guessed, security at those agencies is handled by federal employees.
http://tiberi.house.gov/News/Documen...cumentID=32398
http://tiberi.house.gov/News/Documen...cumentID=32398
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Ran into a cloth bag full of coins. It would make for a strong sap that can inflict more damage than any set of brass knuckles. Will the TSA now get people arrested for carrying legal tender in the form of coins?
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DHS classifies bottles of water as a "credible threat". So much for government classification.
Ran into a cloth bag full of coins. It would make for a strong sap that can inflict more damage than any set of brass knuckles. Will the TSA now get people arrested for carrying legal tender in the form of coins?
Ran into a cloth bag full of coins. It would make for a strong sap that can inflict more damage than any set of brass knuckles. Will the TSA now get people arrested for carrying legal tender in the form of coins?
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The ridiculousness of this situation that I hope you don't defend (but that I expect otherwise) is that an old man is hassled because a paperweight comes in the form of brass knuckles but a much stronger person with a far more damaging sort of (coin-filled) sap will get through without an issue other than having perhaps to show that it's filled with coins.
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This is about brass knuckles not about guns, but whatever. (I do believe in the 2nd Amendment.)
The ridiculousness of this situation that I hope you don't defend (but that I expect otherwise) is that an old man is hassled because a paperweight comes in the form of brass knuckles but a much stronger person with a far more damaging sort of (coin-filled) sap will get through without an issue other than having perhaps to show that it's filled with coins.
The ridiculousness of this situation that I hope you don't defend (but that I expect otherwise) is that an old man is hassled because a paperweight comes in the form of brass knuckles but a much stronger person with a far more damaging sort of (coin-filled) sap will get through without an issue other than having perhaps to show that it's filled with coins.
What about with these things?:
cane swords
belt buckle knives
stun guns
mace
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This is about brass knuckles not about guns, but whatever. (I do believe in the 2nd Amendment.)
The ridiculousness of this situation that I hope you don't defend (but that I expect otherwise) is that an old man is hassled because a paperweight comes in the form of brass knuckles but a much stronger person with a far more damaging sort of (coin-filled) sap will get through without an issue other than having perhaps to show that it's filled with coins.
The ridiculousness of this situation that I hope you don't defend (but that I expect otherwise) is that an old man is hassled because a paperweight comes in the form of brass knuckles but a much stronger person with a far more damaging sort of (coin-filled) sap will get through without an issue other than having perhaps to show that it's filled with coins.
Now, I don't know how much lattitude the LEO has to influence the outcome. So, while the overall situation is definitely ridiculous and unfortunate, arguing that LEO behavior should have considered his age/physical condition seems to go against your very principled (and much admired) stance against profiling.
Finally, I think if the same force is being delivered, I'm sure the damage from brass knuckles will be far greater than a bag of coins because the force is distributed in a much smaller area resulting in extensive tissue, bone and muscle damage.
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Just trying to understand your position (my questions aren't rhetorical): Are you saying he should have gotten a pass because he was old and/or weak? Or are you saying anyone (with no regard to age or physical condition) with brass knuckles should not be hassled?
What about with these things?:
cane swords
belt buckle knives
stun guns
mace
What about with these things?:
cane swords
belt buckle knives
stun guns
mace
My position is not based on his age or physical condition. I would say the same thing like I did about a coin-filled sap in the hands of a person taken as likely to be physically stronger.
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A sock "full" of coins can be used to hit with more pressure per square inch in a strike than a boxer's punch using brass knuckles.
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Not an expert here, but I did say, "if the same force is being delivered"
And, recalling in a mystical haze that Pressure = Force/Area and looking at the area profile of a sock filled with coins and the area profile of the brass knuckles, I stick to my original assertion
Again, I'm no expert and if you have first hand knowledge of this, I'll defer