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TSA adding black lights to screen passengers' ID cards

Old Oct 19, 07, 2:08 am
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TSA adding black lights to screen passengers' ID cards

Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram

D/FW AIRPORT -- Under a black light, hard-to-reproduce holograms on identification cards, such as the Texas driver's license, become visible.

There on your driver's license, for example, a bunch of little yellow "TEXAS" holograms appear.

Different cards have different identifiers. (The Swiss identification card has a cobalt blue fishnet design. In the photo area is a second green-yellow hologram: "SCHWEIZ, SUISSE, SVIZZERA, SVIZRA, SWITZERLAND.")

The Transportation Security Administration, which has taken over document-ticket screening at U.S. airports, is rolling out small black lights and loupes (magnifying lenses) to 1,300 specially trained screeners who check suspicious IDs in the ticket lines.
And when individuals exercise their right to decline showing ID while traveling domestically?

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Old Oct 19, 07, 2:18 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay View Post
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And when individuals exercise their right to decline showing ID while traveling domestically?

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What's the problem with them checking if the ID's are real? I mean if your going to go thru all this Hassle about requiring ID's you might as well make sure they are real! This has no impact on your right to fly without ID.
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Old Oct 19, 07, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by stockmanjr View Post
What's the problem with them checking if the ID's are real? I mean if your going to go thru all this Hassle about requiring ID's you might as well make sure they are real! This has no impact on your right to fly without ID.
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This KHIA DHS-TSA organization can't even reliably prevent guns and bombs from getting by them at the security checkpoint and now they go waste money and time on checking to see if IDs are real or not. They need their heads checked -- ID is not security.
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Old Oct 19, 07, 5:46 am
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Originally Posted by stockmanjr View Post
What's the problem with them checking if the ID's are real? I mean if your going to go thru all this Hassle about requiring ID's you might as well make sure they are real! This has no impact on your right to fly without ID.
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Well, they're spending $$ to purchase the lights, and presumably time and money on training in the use of said lights, for really no purpose at all. There are plenty of valid IDs which do not contain such marks, which thus would get through the checkpoint still even if faked, for example; likewise, getting a valid ID for a false identity is fairly easy in most places, again proving that ID checks != security.

So it comes down to a waste of time and money, something the TSA has shown themselves to be utterly competent at above all else.
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Old Oct 19, 07, 5:48 am
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What a bunch of fickle little girls in here!

First y'all complain that TSA is no better than anyone else at detecting false IDs.

Now that TSA is taking steps to verify IDs, y'er still complaining.

Get some Midol.
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We're complaining that the TSA is wasting time, money and resources with checking ID (which has nothing to do with security) when they should be checking for bombs and guns (which they only do 30% of the time anyway)

ID does not equal security!
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Old Oct 19, 07, 6:02 am
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We're complaining that the TSA is wasting time, money and resources with checking ID (which has nothing to do with security) when they should be checking for bombs and guns (which they only do 30% of the time anyway)

ID does not equal security!
Just curious where your security expertise comes from.
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Just curious where your security expertise comes from.
Where does yours come from? I actually know the answer to that question already--but are you really saying that verifying IDs are real is somehow linked to detecting terrorist threats? If so, can you please explain how?

I am not opposed to security. I am opposed to "security measures" which don't accomplish actual security, which is a reduction in threats to the transportation system or those travelling on/in it. So please explain how stopping an illegal alien with a fake ID from flying to visit his/her mother is linked to the threat that a known or unknown somebody puts something that goes boom in his/her luggage.
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Originally Posted by MKE-MR View Post
Where does yours come from? I actually know the answer to that question already--but are you really saying that verifying IDs are real is somehow linked to detecting terrorist threats? If so, can you please explain how?

I am not opposed to security. I am opposed to "security measures" which don't accomplish actual security, which is a reduction in threats to the transportation system or those travelling on/in it. So please explain how stopping an illegal alien with a fake ID from flying to visit his/her mother is linked to the threat that a known or unknown somebody puts something that goes boom in his/her luggage.
My background and experience is in the "Who We Are in the TS/S Forum" thread.

Detecting false IDs could be a powerful tool if there was better communications and cooperation among the various agencies, notably the FBI. But there isn't, nor do I expect there to be due to the different cultures and mentalities. (I've worked with the FBI on numerous counterespionage cases, so I reserve the right to criticize them in matters such as these.)

And while I was pretty unfair in slamming the credibility of the previous poster (I admit it), my criticism is that if we're going to be tasked to conduct this task, then let's actually perform it to the best of our ability. Using lights and loupes allows us to do that. But the critical piece to this occurs when we do discover a false or tampered ID and the actions taken by the airport LEO. And this is where the Boys in the Bureau have a lackadaisical if not somewhat condescending attitude towards airport security. And therein lies the broken link because if the FBI isn't going to get excited, then neither are the airport LEOs. I don't think it's wise nor professional to allow their approach, or lack thereof, affect how I am going to perform my task. But I do point it out as a weak link. "OK, we've found a false ID, now what?"

Where I do agree with you is that regardless of whether or not someone is traveling with false documentation, if that individual is screened and found to possess no prohibited items, dangerous weapons and hazardous materials, then what's the point in fussing over the ID?
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Just curious where your security expertise comes from.
It's dangerous to fall prey to the idea that "expertise and experience" is an effective substitute for logical reasoning -- it's not. Complements, sure; effective substitute, definitely not always.

Chertoff and Hawley are clowns, but just wait until they are out of office and they'll be marketed for their "security expertise and years of experience".
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Where I do agree with you is that regardless of whether or not someone is traveling with false documentation, if that individual is screened and found to possess no prohibited items, dangerous weapons and hazardous materials, then what's the point in fussing over the ID?
It's the DHS/TSA that is most fussy over the ID -- that's the point. They should scrap the checks since they are a wasteful diversion of resources and are basically the legacy of the airlines' revenue protection schemes.
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It's dangerous to fall prey to the idea that "expertise and experience" is an effective substitute for logical reasoning -- it's not. Complements, sure; effective substitute, definitely not always.

Chertoff and Hawley are clowns, but just wait until they are out of office and they'll be marketed for their "security expertise and years of experience".
A mechanic was talking to a surgeon about the similarities of their jobs. They both require expertise understanding how things work, how they're connected, how one piece affects the other. And they both require a rather delicate handling of certain parts, the ability to use the right tool for the right piece and the ability to replace parts exactly as designed.

"What I don't understand," said the mechanic, "is why you make so much more money at it than I do, doc."

The surgeon smiled and responded, "Ah, but do you do your work with the engine still running?"
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The other question is: how much is this going to slow down and back up the security checkpoint, without bringing any enhancement to security to the table?
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... and did any of the 9/11 hijackers have any "ID" that would have been exposed with this whole black light stuff? I mean, lets get to the heart of the security matter...


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The other question is: how much is this going to slow down and back up the security checkpoint, without bringing any enhancement to security to the table?
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