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JakiChan Oct 4, 2007 1:33 pm

BAA Told to Stop Sucking
 
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2183188,00.html


Originally Posted by Dan Milmo, transport correspondent
But yesterday the waits to get through security checks at Heathrow were described as "unacceptable" and the company that runs the airport, BAA, was ordered to make sweeping changes.

"BAA has failed to manage security queueing and queue times to avoid unacceptable delays to passengers, crew and flights, and have not furthered the reasonable interests of the users of Heathrow and Gatwick," a report by the Competition Commission said.

Here's something I didn't know:


Originally Posted by Dan Milmo, transport correspondent
BAA must pay a rebate to airlines if passengers are forced to queue at security checkpoints for more than 10 minutes. Over the past four years this regulation has resulted in BAA making payments totalling only £2.6m to carriers at Heathrow and Gatwick, despite widespread anecdotal evidence of severe delays.

The commission, which pointed out that a similar warning on queues was ignored five years ago, recommended a maximum queueing time and improvements in security checkpoints. It added that the fine for breaching queue targets should be tripled, from 3% of landing charge revenues to up to 10%.

Somehow I doubt those rebates are passed on to the consumer. In fact that makes it seem like the airlines have a vested interest in the lines being long...

hockeyguy Oct 4, 2007 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by JakiChan (Post 8509958)
In fact that makes it seem like the airlines have a vested interest in the lines being long...

Probably not. The airlines don't want to have to reaccommodate pax who miss their flights due to security wait times. They also don't want to have people showing up many hours early and clogging up their checkin facilities, lounges, etc. It's unlikely that whatever little payment they may get from BAA is worth the trouble.

Wasn't the strict 1-bag rule supposed to help reduce security screening times? I really hope this doesn't mean that they're going to try to put in a "0.5 bag" rule now (i.e. shrink the allowable size significantly).

I do have to say that a 10 minute upper limit is pretty tough. I doubt many U.S. airports, even smaller ones, could meet that requirement all the time. A 5-10 minute average time and maybe a 25-30 minute max might be more reasonable based on peaks of passenger traffic at various times during the day. I'd be willing to accept that as long as there were significant consequences for exceeding the max time so that it didn't happen very often.

Xyzzy Oct 4, 2007 1:51 pm

Aha -- I'm sure the rebates are what made BAA insist that UK airports allow only one carryon bag per passenger. It takes less time to tell someone to check a bag than to screen an extra bag. :td: to BAA.

hockeyguy Oct 4, 2007 1:56 pm

How strict is BAA about the 1-bag rule these days? When I went to London a year ago, they were claiming 1 bag but they were pretty lax about it in the business class security line. I've heard other FT'ers talk about the 1-bag rule being pretty strict, but I haven't heard whether they've tightened up on first & business pax, too.

Buster Oct 4, 2007 2:25 pm

They were very strict about it on business passengers in March when I last went through LHR. Definitely forcing you to put 1 bag inside another. They were also measuring bags after you had done this...

hockeyguy Oct 4, 2007 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by Buster (Post 8510328)
They were very strict about it on business passengers in March when I last went through LHR. Definitely forcing you to put 1 bag inside another. They were also measuring bags after you had done this...

Wow, good to know. In the past, I've never seen anyone measure a bag that was even moderately close to the allowed size.

ralfp Oct 4, 2007 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyguy (Post 8510068)
Wasn't the strict 1-bag rule supposed to help reduce security screening times? I really hope this doesn't mean that they're going to try to put in a "0.5 bag" rule now (i.e. shrink the allowable size significantly).

The 1-bag limit was enacted to save BAA money (employ fewer screeners). The max bag size has already been effectively reduced.

Spiff Oct 4, 2007 2:53 pm

I've discovered that I really have no need to use BAA airports. @:-)

Xyzzy Oct 4, 2007 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyguy (Post 8510108)
How strict is BAA about the 1-bag rule these days?

I was in the UK about six or seven times in the last year including trips departing through LHR, LGW, and STN. All were extremely strict with regard to the bag size and quantity. The LGW folks offered me the choice between checking my bag or the camera that was around my neck.

In answer to the thread title, BAA will never stop sucking.

spainflyer Oct 5, 2007 12:32 am

BAA is owned by Spaniards. Well, by a Spanish-registered company. They bought BAA in a highly-leveraged deal and now all they can do is pay the whopping interest on their debt. They have no money for improvements in service or infrastructure.

Meanwhile, in Spain, the airports authority is controlled by the Spanish State. Things work pretty well and security check queues are nothing like LGW or LHR.

Its enough to make a Socialist out of you!

MikeMpls Oct 5, 2007 12:43 am


Originally Posted by Buster (Post 8510328)
They were also measuring bags after you had done this...

...which is counterproductive if your objective in making the one-bag rule was to speeds things up.

videomaker Oct 5, 2007 1:52 am

"BAA told to stop sucking"?

That's like telling a fish to quit swimming. It just comes naturally.

stut Oct 5, 2007 5:09 am


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 8512607)
...which is counterproductive if your objective in making the one-bag rule was to speeds things up.

Yes, but queue monitors are cheaper (and you need fewer of them) than security staff.

straygaijin Oct 5, 2007 8:02 am

I'm just about to move from Tokyo to London which will make my home airport Heathrow instead of Narita. This is one of the aspects about moving which I am least happy with.

Heathrow is just going steadily downhill. I wonder if they can renationalise the airport - can't be any worse.

LHRGoon Oct 5, 2007 3:14 pm


They bought BAA in a highly-leveraged deal and now all they can do is pay the whopping interest on their debt. They have no money for improvements in service or infrastructure.
I don't know about that...

They're building T5 which is opening next year. I don't think it's built out of mud and straw; although it doesn't look as nice as that new airport in China that Foster designed.

Once T5 is open they're going to knock down T2, move those flights to T1 and move all BA flights from T1 to T5. I hope that makes sense.


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