Engine fire/emergency landing at STL 28 Sep 2007
Sep 30, 2007, 2:16 pm
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ooh, um...since we're going the 'legal' route, I better post my 'facts'
Accidents involving Passenger Fatalities - US Airlines (part121)
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Accidents involving Passenger Fatalities - US Airlines (part121)
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Sep 30, 2007, 3:17 pm
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The same ones that SWORE up and down there was nothing at all wrong with the DC-10 after the first couple of catastophic events with it, right?
Of course, we all know they eventually had to pony up major redesigns to fix it
Sep 30, 2007, 3:18 pm
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[QUOTE=LarryJ;8483671]After looking at this table, http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm, I'm kinda wondering exactly which aircraft types you'd feel safe flying on?QUOTE]
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash
Sep 30, 2007, 7:19 pm
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Apples and oranges.
Sep 30, 2007, 7:20 pm
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[QUOTE=bspencerco;8486663]
Explain exactly how that one was due to the fault of the aircraft?
After looking at this table, http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm, I'm kinda wondering exactly which aircraft types you'd feel safe flying on?QUOTE]
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash
Sep 30, 2007, 7:51 pm
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Sep 30, 2007, 8:56 pm
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[QUOTE=bspencerco;8486663
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash[/QUOTE]
Which I presume you mean ...
I found this description of the accident on the web ...
The causes of the accident are unknown yet. While the plane was on final approach, the control tower warned the crew of a treacherous wind shear at the airport, but the pilot decided to land anyway. The wind-shear (sudden change in wind direction that can destabilize a plane) had probably caused the aircraft to dive and hit the runway. Then, heavy rains could have contributed to the plane skidding off the runway. The pilot had reportedly asked to abandon the landing and circle around again because he could not see the runway, but the plane was already too low.
http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-...2-crash-1.html
I can't how reliable this report is and will await the NTSB report for final determinations but it does make sense (I've gone through an aircraft safety officer course and handled a number of aircraft accident investigations) but this initial report reeks of pilot error and poor crew resource management - not an aircraft problem.
Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash[/QUOTE]
Which I presume you mean ...
16 September 2007; One-Two-Go Airlines MD82; Phuket, Thailand: The aircraft was on a scheduled domestic flight from Bangkok (DMK) to Phuket (HKT). After landing, the aircraft skidded off the runway, impacted several trees, and caught fire. There was reportedly heavy rain and poor visibility at the time of the crash. There were at least 89 deaths, including 85 of the 123 passengers and five of the seven crew members.
The causes of the accident are unknown yet. While the plane was on final approach, the control tower warned the crew of a treacherous wind shear at the airport, but the pilot decided to land anyway. The wind-shear (sudden change in wind direction that can destabilize a plane) had probably caused the aircraft to dive and hit the runway. Then, heavy rains could have contributed to the plane skidding off the runway. The pilot had reportedly asked to abandon the landing and circle around again because he could not see the runway, but the plane was already too low.
http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-...2-crash-1.html
I can't how reliable this report is and will await the NTSB report for final determinations but it does make sense (I've gone through an aircraft safety officer course and handled a number of aircraft accident investigations) but this initial report reeks of pilot error and poor crew resource management - not an aircraft problem.
Oct 1, 2007, 12:26 pm
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Of course, that doesn't include the most serious, recent crash
Which was most likely due to pilot error. The other two lost-life incidents I can recall in recent times weren't due to the fault of the aircraft or its design. The AA incident in Little Rock was pilot error and the Alaska incident off the coast of CA was the result of improper maintenance practices.
The fact is, is that the DC9/MD80 is one of the safest aircraft in the world and they're built like tanks. There's a reason it has one of the longest cycle-lifetimes of any aircraft in existance, hence why you see NW still flying DC9s that are nearing 40 years old. They simply don't build aircraft like Douglas did, anymore.
Oct 1, 2007, 2:34 pm
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And how foolish to associate hitting another plane on the runway, sliding off the runway in the rain, etc. with the aircraft itself.
By similarly inappropriately applied logic, the 737 is MUCH MORE dangerous. 100% of Southwest's fatal accidents have involved 737s. None of Southwest's fatal accidents have involved MD80s - of ANY variant.
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By similarly inappropriately applied logic, the 737 is MUCH MORE dangerous. 100% of Southwest's fatal accidents have involved 737s. None of Southwest's fatal accidents have involved MD80s - of ANY variant.
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Maybe Southwest should share their secret to keeping the MD80 safe
Oct 1, 2007, 4:00 pm
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