Today, I realized just how ridiculous the baggie is..
We all know it's ridiculous.. but something just occurred to me about it.
Why do we have the baggy at all?? Why isn't the rule just something like have no more than 3 bottles of fluids of less than 3 ounces apiece? There's only one reason I can think of. They must not be able to see the bottles well enough on the scanners. If that's the case, then putting things in a baggie is really a voluntary compliance move that would have no impact on a terrorist. Does that make sense? |
Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
(Post 8201452)
Why isn't the rule just something like have no more than 3 bottles of fluids of less than 3 ounces apiece?
And maybe they thought that the baggie rule would be easier for arithmetically challenged TSA staff and passengers. (Imagine some of the people you meet in airports trying to work out if six 1.5oz bottles is equivalent to three 3oz bottles). BTW - More than three 3oz bottles fit into the standard sized baggie. |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 8201524)
BTW - More than three 3oz bottles fit into the standard sized baggie.
I wouldn't mind keeping my liquids down to three bottles of three ounces. The thing I hate is having one more thing to pack and unpack at a checkpoint. |
I'm sure if I looked I would find some discussions on this but what makes me laugh is the 3oz versus 100ml between the US and Europe. Only a small difference, but my deodorant is below the 100ml limit but over the 3oz limit.
TSA website: The rule limits the volume of liquids, gels and aerosols to bottles 3 ounces or smaller (or 100 ml), in 1 quart-sized zip top bag Problem is: 3oz=89ml and 100ml=3.38oz 1qt=.94l and 1l=1.05qt |
Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
(Post 8201452)
There's only one reason I can think of. They must not be able to see the bottles well enough on the scanners. If that's the case, then putting things in a baggie is really a voluntary compliance move that would have no impact on a terrorist.
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I suspect the limits are intended to keep the total amount of liquid anyone can bring on board well below the threshold at which they believe someone would be able to brew an explosive. The choice of 3 oz versus 100 ml is likely down to commercial availability on either continent, plus not allowing anyone a container large enough to make something nasty.
As for not being able to identify a container in luggage, wouldn't they just open the bag to see what it is? That seems to happen to me. The TSA is obviously concerned about its image. But, if they wanted to do something solely to make the "sheeple" feel safer, I think they'd avoid something this annoying. |
Originally Posted by christep
(Post 8201849)
Only one thing since 9/11 has made a significant improvement to flight security - locking the cockpit door.
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Originally Posted by bankops
(Post 8201687)
I'm sure if I looked I would find some discussions on this but what makes me laugh is the 3oz versus 100ml between the US and Europe. Only a small difference, but my deodorant is below the 100ml limit but over the 3oz limit.
TSA website: The rule limits the volume of liquids, gels and aerosols to bottles 3 ounces or smaller (or 100 ml), in 1 quart-sized zip top bag Problem is: 3oz=89ml and 100ml=3.38oz 1qt=.94l and 1l=1.05qt If they are 3.4 oz, why does the TSA website still say 3 oz. - or should I not go there? :D |
Originally Posted by justcorbly
(Post 8201956)
The choice of 3 oz versus 100 ml is likely down to commercial availability on either continent, plus not allowing anyone a container large enough to make something nasty.
I suppose some containers might attract more attention than others. But AFAIK, there's no rule against any empty container. |
I believe the DHS, DoD and the TSA ran extensive tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds on what type of shielding would dampen and contain detonating three 3 oz bottles of common liquid explosives in flight. I believe the one (1) qt baggies was the clear winner. Apparently the explosives in Europe are about 10% less dangerous thus the three 100 ml rule applies over the pond.
MisterNice ps: this post makes as much sense as most of the other "for your security" fairy tales |
Originally Posted by MisterNice
(Post 8202427)
I believe the DHS, DoD and the TSA ran extensive tests at Aberdeen Proving Grounds on what type of shielding would dampen and contain detonating three 3 oz bottles of common liquid explosives in flight. I believe the one (1) qt baggies was the clear winner. Apparently the explosives in Europe are about 10% less dangerous thus the three 100 ml rule applies over the pond.
MisterNice ps: this post makes as much sense as most of the other "for your security" fairy tales OR... 1 person who goes through security... goes to the AC (or other such lounge), leaves baggie #1 concealed in a carryon left in the baggage area. Goes back out - comes back through security with another baggie... repeat. repeat. repeat. There are so many ways around this if you just think about it. So the bottom line is you are NO safer you just have the illusion of being safer... and isn't it better to know you are at risk and be watchful than to think you are safe and let down your guard? |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 8202177)
AFAIK the TSA allow containers - large thermos mugs etc.. - provided they are empty of liquids.
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 8201992)
Actually there is a second. Flight 93 Rules. I hope I am not the only one who recognizes that if you see a group(be it men, women or children) trying to break into the cockpit, if they get in there you are dead. Since you can only die once per day, trying to keep them out of the cockpit is a shared responsibility of everyone else on the plane.
Vigilant fliers and a locked cockpit door.............think of all the money and time that could be saved if someone would just recognize that is all thats needed? (In addition to a modest level of bomb detection security). |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 8202177)
AFAIK, there's no rule against any empty container.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 8203119)
Unless a screener says there is.
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