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Gargoyle Aug 6, 2007 10:16 pm

Sof if you cut yourself shaving and use peroxide on the cut do you get a free one-way ticket to Gitmo?

Also, Benzoyl Peroxide is used in some shave creams, or for acne treatment... so they should catch some dangerous people with this test...

birdstrike Aug 6, 2007 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by DCA TSO (Post 8187051)
Because the ETD and ETP machines can't detect TATP or other peroxide-based explosives. This is the reason for the liquids ban.

That only make sense if you feel the need to declare your liquids to the screener. :rolleyes: Even now you can carry on larger amounts of liquids if you declare them to be medical necessities. You can't make TATP on board. If you want to smuggle more than 3oz. on board you don't put in carryon.

While I agree with your statement, it has nothing to do with explosives or the screening thereof.

Superguy Aug 6, 2007 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by DCA TSO (Post 8187051)
Because the ETD and ETP machines can't detect TATP or other peroxide-based explosives. This is the reason for the liquids ban. The TSA is now beginning to introduce techniques to test for peroxide-based explosives.

I don't buy that. Other TSO's have said those things can be configured to detect just about anything out there ... even drugs. Why not TATP?

But here's another thing, x-rays don't detect explosives either, yet they're still used for explosives detection. By TSA's logic, the puffers should be used to detect TATP then if what you say is true. :D

DCA TSO Aug 6, 2007 11:11 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 8187178)
That only make sense if you feel the need to declare your liquids to the screener. Even now you can carry on larger amounts of liquids if you declare them to be medical necessities. .

Under new TSA rules these larger amounts of liquids will now be tested, e.g., breast milk, contact/eye solution, medicines, et al.

birdstrike Aug 6, 2007 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by DCA TSO (Post 8187240)
Under new TSA rules these larger amounts of liquids will now be tested, e.g., breast milk, contact/eye solution, medicines, et al.

Only if you declare them. :rolleyes:

Come on, DCA TSO, you have been posting here a long time. :rolleyes: Like every repressive government agency, the TSA has spawned an entire culture dedicated to avoiding dealing with it. You now have an entire underground thumbing their noses at the TSAs idiocy.

Detecting good people forced into circumventing bad regulations prevents you from addressing actual issues. That is why Skeletor and Hawley are fools. They are actively encouraging the average citizen to become screens for terrorist activity.

DCA TSO Aug 6, 2007 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 8187220)
I don't buy that. Other TSO's have said those things can be configured to detect just about anything out there ... even drugs.

But here's another thing, x-rays don't detect explosives either, yet they're still used for explosives detection. By TSA's logic, the puffers should be used to detect TATP then if what you say is true. :D

Here's a good place to read about TATP and why it can't be detected by standard mass spectrometry techniques (i.e., ETP & ETD):

http://www.tfot.info/articles.php?itemId=35/

Also you will see a device that might be the thing TurboProf saw used at FRA.

DCA TSO Aug 6, 2007 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 8187274)
Only if you declare them. :rolleyes:

Come on, DCA TSO, you have been posting here a long time. :rolleyes: Like every repressive government agency, the TSA has spawned an entire culture dedicated to avoiding dealing with it. You now have an entire underground thumbing their noses at the TSAs idiocy.

Detecting good people forced into circumventing bad regulations prevents you from addressing actual issues. That is why Skeletor and Hawley are fools. They are actively encouraging the average citizen to become screens for terrorist activity.

Aw, come on birdstrike, don't force me to suggest to TSA HQ that they send all cargo pants-wearing passengers down for additional screening. :D

Superguy Aug 7, 2007 8:51 am


Originally Posted by DCA TSO (Post 8187287)
Here's a good place to read about TATP and why it can't be detected by standard mass spectrometry techniques (i.e., ETP & ETD):

http://www.tfot.info/articles.php?itemId=35/

Also you will see a device that might be the thing TurboProf saw used at FRA.

Thanks. I have it open in another tab. I'll read it later when I get some time at work.

birdstrike Aug 7, 2007 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by DCA TSO (Post 8187325)
Aw, come on birdstrike, don't force me to suggest to TSA HQ that they send all cargo pants-wearing passengers down for additional screening. :D

If they are short pants, and they are also wearing aloha shirts, feel free to throw the book at them.

DCA TSO Aug 7, 2007 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 8193228)
If they are short pants, and they are also wearing aloha shirts, feel free to throw the book at them.

I'll be sure to pass it on to Kip.


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