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Now we know where DHS and TSA get their terrorist ideas

Old May 31, 07, 9:29 am
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Now we know where DHS and TSA get their terrorist ideas

From today's Inquirer:

Originally Posted by The Inquirer
A TEAM OF science fiction writers has been formed by the US Homeland Security Department to generate ideas to stop terrorists.

*snip*

The team has to come up with ideas for technology which might be helpful and also work out scenarios for potential terrorist attacks.

The group all have to have technical doctorate degrees and are " well-qualified nuts" according to Pournelle.

Team member and Ringworld author Larry Niven said that writers were always saving civilisation in fiction and they would want to do it in fact too.
No wonder we have fictitious security and theater: it's coming from sci-fi writers.
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Old May 31, 07, 10:21 am
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It's too bad Orwell isn't around anymore...
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Old May 31, 07, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by PHLbuddy View Post
It's too bad Orwell isn't around anymore...
You doubt people in the DHS and TSA have read Orwell?
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Old May 31, 07, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by PHLbuddy View Post
It's too bad Orwell isn't around anymore...
Robert Heinlein was a big promoter of alternative lifestyles . He would definitely push for all pax to "Fly Naked and Sedated".

Added: Good thing Issac Asimov died. Last thing TSA would do is hire a world class bioCHEMIST who might decide to impartially and acccurately analyze the binary liquids explosives "make TATP in the Lav threat" and explain the facts in plain English.

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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler View Post
You doubt people in the DHS and TSA have read Orwell?
"Books??"
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Old May 31, 07, 2:21 pm
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Another "solution" in search of a problem.

Terrorism is simple in both concept and execution. Even though 9/11 took some planning and not a little luck, it was about as straightforward in principle as it gets - hijack planes and crash them into buildings.

The weapon of choice for terrorists is explosives - car bombs, roadside bombs, body bombs. Unless this brain trust can come up with some magic neutralization "ray", those attacks will be the same as they have been for the last several decades.
Or simple assaults (Rome, Vienna, Lod) and massacres (Beslan); neither of which are likely to be prevented by any science fiction device.

Still, maybe we would be spared the "nobody ever thought...*" platitudes.

(* except for Stephen King, Tom Clancy, Dale Brown etc.)
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Old May 31, 07, 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler View Post
You doubt people in the DHS and TSA have read Orwell?
I know for a fact they are!
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Old May 31, 07, 7:50 pm
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I think this is a good sign. After all, the TSA has been entirely reactive since they were created. Not one new thought has ever come out of that organization.

I think a little outside input will be nice.

However, I think they will end up concluding that sonofusion is a threat and ban water once and for all.
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Old May 31, 07, 7:59 pm
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Need an Astrologer

I want them to hire Nancy Reagan's astrologer.

Why bother with working with different possible scenarios when you can hire someone to just give you the answer?
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Old May 31, 07, 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by birdstrike View Post
I think this is a good sign. After all, the TSA has been entirely reactive since they were created. Not one new thought has ever come out of that organization.

I think a little outside input will be nice.

However, I think they will end up concluding that sonofusion is a threat and ban water once and for all.

If TSA is interested in outside input, it should probably consider bona fide security experts, not science fiction writers.
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Old May 31, 07, 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by PHLbuddy View Post
I know for a fact they are!
Yeah, they're looking for ideas as to what power they should grab next.
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Old May 31, 07, 11:15 pm
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 View Post
If TSA is interested in outside input, it should probably consider bona fide security experts, not science fiction writers.
Bah! What bona fide security expert would even think of suggesting that the TSA has any reason to exist?

They are much better off with science fiction writers, don't you think?
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If this all were content from a sci-fi novel, and a bunch of talented writers were employed to create scenarios for enermy attacks, wouldn't the authorities end up killing the writers once the writers had finished their tasks?
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Old Jun 1, 07, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by ButIsItArt View Post
If this all were content from a sci-fi novel, and a bunch of talented writers were employed to create scenarios for enermy attacks, wouldn't the authorities end up killing the writers once the writers had finished their tasks?
When was the last time you read a good science fiction novel?
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