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Spiff Apr 16, 2007 7:59 pm

ID Stupidity Puts FA Out of Work
 
KPTV Article

"A flight attendant said she’s been grounded after car thieves stole her money, credit cards and identification...

...Enoch said she flies in and out of New York on the weekends, but without her airline ID and her card from TSA, she can’t work. She said she lost about $1,000 worth of items."

It's bad enough that she got ripped off. Now without her Komrade Kippie Kard, she can't even go to work. :td: :td:

J-M Apr 16, 2007 8:28 pm

Red flag!

This has nothing to do with the anti-TSA rant you would like to turn it in to. The employee lost her airline ID and SIDA badge, which are required by the FAA (not TSA) for her to engage in work for a Part 121 air carrier. As soon as they are replaced by the company (generally a couple of days), she'll be back at work.

Non-story... airline employees lose badges from time to time.

Spiff Apr 16, 2007 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by J-M (Post 7592970)
Red flag!

This has nothing to do with the anti-TSA rant you would like to turn it in to. The employee lost her airline ID and SIDA badge, which are required by the FAA (not TSA) for her to engage in work for a Part 121 air carrier. As soon as they are replaced by the company (generally a couple of days), she'll be back at work.

Non-story... airline employees lose badges from time to time.

I disagree. Why should she be grounded?

essxjay Apr 16, 2007 11:55 pm

Hate to say it, Spiff, but the stupidity charge belongs squarely on the FA:


Malloree Enoch said she was working out at Bally’s Total Fitness in Fairview last Friday when she saw a man stealing her coat, purse and identification out of the front seat of her car.
Leaving her purse out in the open on the front seat of her car while working out in the gym is pretty effing-stupid. @:-)

whatsinyourbag Apr 17, 2007 8:02 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 7592987)
I disagree. Why should she be grounded?

Again, this cannot be turned into a bash TSA party as you want it to be...

TSA has nothing to do with the loss of her ID or her need to have it... That is an FAA issue.

Try again later! :D

cestmoi123 Apr 17, 2007 8:12 am

I disagree on this one - there is no need to have ID for passengers to fly. It's not at all unreasonable, however, that airline employees have ID that can validate their identities. After all, the FAs are the ones around when the cockpit door is opened during flight (i.e. serving food). Having an ID requirement doesn't seem unreasonable in that context.

J-M Apr 17, 2007 8:42 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 7592987)
I disagree. Why should she be grounded?

Because Part 121 air carrier employees have to have valid employee ID to work. It's been that way since long before TSA and long before 9/11. These employees are allowed unescorted access to aircraft and crew-only areas. No badge=No access until you get a new one.

bocastephen Apr 17, 2007 9:00 am

She left her coat, purse and identification in the front seat of her car, in full view of passersby?

I think she can utilize her time on the ground to think through how she got into this mess in the first place and where her personal belongings should be stored in the car, and when/how they are safely put there.

The FA in question is hereby awarded the "Dunce of the Month" award for April 2007.

coachrowsey Apr 17, 2007 9:07 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 7595416)
She left her coat, purse and identification in the front seat of her car, in full view of passersby?

I think she can utilize her time on the ground to think through how she got into this mess in the first place and where her personal belongings should be stored in the car, and when/how they are safely put there.

The FA in question is hereby awarded the "Dunce of the Month" award for April 2007.

Was trying to think of a way to respond, but don't think I can add to this.

Superguy Apr 17, 2007 9:43 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 7595416)
The FA in question is hereby awarded the "Dunce of the Month" award for April 2007.

I think we should create an award called the Kippie and give it out for stupidity and mistakes in security. :)

redbeard911 Apr 17, 2007 9:55 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 7593811)
Leaving her purse out in the open on the front seat of her car while working out in the gym is pretty effing-stupid. @:-)

Agreed. It's her own fault. If she had been robbed at gunpoint, that's a different story.

Wally Bird Apr 17, 2007 10:14 am

Missed the target on this one Spiff; badly. Airside badges predate the TSA by many years, all the way back to the 70s IIRC.

One issue however is that expired passes are not rigorously collected - you're supposed to turn them in voluntarily. Uh-huh.

NH_Libertarian Apr 18, 2007 4:25 pm


Originally Posted by whatsinyourbag (Post 7595113)
Again, this cannot be turned into a bash TSA party as you want it to be...

TSA has nothing to do with the loss of her ID or her need to have it... That is an FAA issue.

Try again later! :D

The FAA is the one that passed the regulation.

Which agency physically enforces that regulation?

rufflesinc Apr 18, 2007 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by redbeard911 (Post 7595707)
Agreed. It's her own fault. If she had been robbed at gunpoint, that's a different story.

no, still same story. just like losing or having been robbed of regular ID. your responsibility to get it replaced and reported to police.

whirledtraveler Apr 18, 2007 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 7593811)
Hate to say it, Spiff, but the stupidity charge belongs squarely on the FA:



Leaving her purse out in the open on the front seat of her car while working out in the gym is pretty effing-stupid. @:-)

Only in government is stupidity is an excuse for responding with stupidity.


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