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Spiff Apr 10, 2007 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by rebadc (Post 7558638)
Dishonest and unethical.

That describes the disgusting actions of the TSA to a T. :td:

bseller Apr 10, 2007 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by rebadc (Post 7558638)
Not to mention that you are screwing with the Airlines revenue management system.

The depth and breadth of your misunderstanding of how airlines' IM works is probably best exemplified by this post. :rolleyes:

Dave

FWAAA Apr 10, 2007 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by bseller (Post 7558875)
The depth and breadth of your misunderstanding of how airlines' IM works is probably best exemplified by this post. :rolleyes:

Dave

So I'm not screwing with the airlines' yield management systems when I buy a refundable ticket for a potential last minute business trip which gets cancelled (which is, in fact, permitted by the terms of refundable tickets)? Whew! :D

Xyzzy Apr 10, 2007 1:03 pm

Look, if you buy a refundable ticket the rules say you can refund it. There are no qualifications. You can do so for any reason. They charge more for this benefit. Revenue management has already taken this into account when you purchase the ticket.

mwarden Apr 11, 2007 8:39 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 7537528)
It's funny, but I think that buying a fully refundable ticket without the intent to fly, but just the intent to go through security, probably counts as fraud. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but it sounds like fraud by definition.

This post has me very scared! When I was younger, I frequently purchased happy meals from McDonalds just to get the toy, with no intention of consuming the burger, fries, and drink. After reading the sound logic above, I fear that McDonalds will eventually sue me for fraud.



...Seriously, a ticket cost goes to many services at the airport, only one of which is the actual transportation from A to B. Also, given that airlines have well-defined fare rules about "refundability", your purchase of a fully refundable fare would easily be seen as some level of certainty that you will need to refund the ticket.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 11, 2007 9:23 am


Originally Posted by mwarden (Post 7563401)
...Seriously, a ticket cost goes to many services at the airport, only one of which is the actual transportation from A to B. Also, given that airlines have well-defined fare rules about "refundability", your purchase of a fully refundable fare would easily be seen as some level of certainty that you will need to refund the ticket.

So, when it looks like my flight on airline A will cancel, leaving me stuck for the night, and I purchase a refundable ticket that morning on airline W as a 'back-up' to make sure I get home that night, I'm wrong? I fully intend to fly airline W if airline A cancels... if not, I sure want my money back.

Perfectly legitimate, I say.

edit: that reminds me the weather in Chicago is going down the tubes today and tomorrow. Need to look at the alternatives.

rufflesinc Apr 11, 2007 9:26 am


Originally Posted by mwarden (Post 7563401)
This post has me very scared! When I was younger, I frequently purchased happy meals from McDonalds just to get the toy, with no intention of consuming the burger, fries, and drink. After reading the sound logic above, I fear that McDonalds will eventually sue me for fraud.

technically speaking, an airline can do that if you do throw away ticketing (buy AAA-BBB-CCC-BBB-AAA and not fly BBB-AAA) because you're stealing from them. their argument, not mine!

mblitch Apr 11, 2007 10:50 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 7533813)
Fully Refundable Ticket.

Realize though that one of the pathetic 'guidelines' TSA uses for 'random screening' is how recently one purchased a ticket. So you might get a little extra search and even questions 'where are you going', 'why do you not have any luggage on you', etc. Very sad, but a possibility.

Spiff Apr 11, 2007 11:02 am


Originally Posted by mblitch (Post 7564222)
Realize though that one of the pathetic 'guidelines' TSA uses for 'random screening' is how recently one purchased a ticket. So you might get a little extra search and even questions 'where are you going', 'why do you not have any luggage on you', etc. Very sad, but a possibility.

"where are you going?"

A: "What's it say on the boarding pass, smart guy?"

"why do you not have any luggage on you?"

A: "None of your damn business."

vasantn Apr 11, 2007 11:08 am


Originally Posted by bseller (Post 7558875)
The depth and breadth of your misunderstanding of how airlines' IM works is probably best exemplified by this post. :rolleyes:

Dave

One of the rare times I can agree unequivocally with bseller! ^


Originally Posted by rebadc (Post 7558638)
Not to mention that you are screwing with the Airlines revenue management system.

Dishonest and unethical.


Originally Posted by mrhotelman (Post 7544157)
It is most definitely fraud as its circumventing the system to try to accomplish something that is not allowed. Plus, our security lines are busy enough without having extra people in them that arent traveling.


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 7537528)
It's funny, but I think that buying a fully refundable ticket without the intent to fly, but just the intent to go through security, probably counts as fraud. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but it sounds like fraud by definition.

Do any of you actually know what fraud is? The legal definition of fraud requires that the defrauded party suffer damages. Who is the defrauded party here, and what are the damages? :rolleyes:

mwarden Apr 11, 2007 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by rufflesinc (Post 7563668)
technically speaking, an airline can do that if you do throw away ticketing (buy AAA-BBB-CCC-BBB-AAA and not fly BBB-AAA) because you're stealing from them. their argument, not mine!

This depends on the fare rules.

AINITFUNNY Apr 11, 2007 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by mrhotelman (Post 7544157)
It is most definitely fraud as its circumventing the system to try to accomplish something that is not allowed. Plus, our security lines are busy enough without having extra people in them that arent traveling.

By that standard, WE CAN START AT THE WHITE HOUSE who today it was discovered CIRCUMVENT THE GOVERNMENT RECORDS LAWS REQUIRING THE RECORDING OF ALL WH E-MAILS (SHOULD THEY BE SUBJECT TO COURT ORDER LATER)BY PUTTING THEM ON AN INTERNAL .COM PRIVATE SERVER INSTEAD OF THE .GOV WH SERVER! Circumventing the law that restrains THEM has now been elevated to an art form in our government. How can they fail to appreciate citizens doing likewise?

exerda Apr 11, 2007 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY (Post 7565543)
By that standard, WE CAN START AT THE WHITE HOUSE who today it was discovered CIRCUMVENT THE GOVERNMENT RECORDS LAWS REQUIRING THE RECORDING OF ALL WH E-MAILS (SHOULD THEY BE SUBJECT TO COURT ORDER LATER)BY PUTTING THEM ON AN INTERNAL .COM PRIVATE SERVER INSTEAD OF THE .GOV WH SERVER! Circumventing the law that restrains THEM has now been elevated to an art form in our government. How can they fail to appreciate citizens doing likewise?

Welcoming this thread to OMNI, are we? :p


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