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The day he got deported from the US
http://theroadtothehorizon.blogspot....d-from-us.html
him: So where do you come from now, sir? (flips through my passport, filled with stamps in Arab writing) me: Right now, from London Heathrow, but that was just a transit. I flew in from Cairo, Egypt. him: How long did you stay in Cairo? me: One day. him: Where were you before that? me: In Jordan him: And how long did you stay there? me: Also one day. him: Where did you come before that? me: Iraq him: ?!?! me: Baghdad, Iraq. I work for the UN, you see. him: Do you have any tickets to prove that? me: No, I flew on a UN plane. him: I do not see Iraq immigration stamps in your passport. me: No, there is no Iraq immigration anymore since the war. The US military checks inbound passengers, but they do not stamp passports. him: OK, how long where you there for? me: A week. him: So where were you longer than a week? Where do you actually live? me: Well, my legal residency is in Belgium, but I spend most of my time in the UAE. In Dubai. him: What do you do there? me: I head the office of one of the UN agencies there. I have the status of an ambassador. him: Do you have proof of that? me: Sure. {I show him my UAE diplomatic card) him: How long have you been living in Dubai? me: Two years. him: And before that? me: I shuttled between Pakistan and Afghanistan him: … him: (after two minutes of typing on his computer) Could you step aside for a moment, sir, and come with me? me: ?! ... |
Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
(Post 7322894)
You cannot be deported if you've never made an entry. |
Seems like he had no machine-readable passport. And no visa. That's no good.
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A couple of things strike me:
1> "Spring 2003" - so it's not like this is news 2> The immigration people sounded very professional and pleasant. 3> This story is a clear result of legislative action. A decade or so ago congress stripped all decision making authority from the INS (now DHS). You don't like it you should talk to your congressman. |
But I am on a diplomatic mission. I have a diplomatic status. You have my diplomatic passports. No, you do not have a diplomatic status just by showing up. That has to be cleared with the country you are traveling to ahead of time. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 7322923)
Just a point of fact, but he was not deported but excluded from the country.
You cannot be deported if you've never made an entry. |
Originally Posted by TierFlyer
(Post 7323208)
A couple of things strike me:
1> "Spring 2003" - so it's not like this is news 2> The immigration people sounded very professional and pleasant. 3> This story is a clear result of legislative action. A decade or so ago congress stripped all decision making authority from the INS (now DHS). You don't like it you should talk to your congressman. People who have not legally entered the country get deported from the US too. |
To get this thread back on track, the bottom line with this story is that we as a country have a right to refuse entry to whoever we want for whatever reason we want. Just by showing up doesn't give you a right to enter this country. And i'm not talking about security here, i'm just talking about the simple fact of entry. Just as we don't have to allow entry to people who come to our house, the country that we live in doesn't have to either.
Now, with that being said, I know there are ways around it, I know our border is unsecure, etc... I'm just saying that in this instance the ICE (or whoever it was back in '03) did nothing wrong. |
Folks,
Kindly stick to comments about the topic brought up by the OP. Twelve deleted posts in a single thread spells trouble for its viability. ---------- essxjay Travel Safety/Security mod |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 7325428)
Are you in the business of justifying the actions of the government?
People who have not legally entered the country get deported from the US too. If you illegally enter the country you have made an entry (8 USC 1325 Entry Without Inspection is the criminal charge). But this person petitioned for entry and was denied, making it an exclusion, not a deportation. |
So does that mean that anyone who wants to work for the US needs to be able to enter the US? I mean if he tried to come back on his red UN passport could they still stop him? Wouldn't they have to PNG him for that?
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Originally Posted by JakiChan
(Post 7334608)
I mean if he tried to come back on his red UN passport could they still stop him? Wouldn't they have to PNG him for that?
Originally Posted by Blog Article referenced in OP
him#2: Why do you travel on your Belgian passport, if you have a UN passport?
me: It is easier, as I do not need a visa to enter the US with my Belgian one. |
Originally Posted by Gargoyle
(Post 7334653)
So he'll still need paperwork/visa. It's just a question of whether it will be easier to obtain the paperwork and to clear immigration with the Belgian or the Red UN passport.
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The second article when published should be interesting to read.
But I believe the guy was wrong. BA (or his first airline) should have ensured that he had a valid passport/visa to enter the U.S. It was well published about the visa rules / machine readable passports. Just because you're a UN Diplomat (or whatever) does not automatically exclude you from immigration rules. U.S Immigration could have handled it a slightly different way, but I do believe they based their judgement on the correct facts at hand. |
Originally Posted by JakiChan
(Post 7334608)
So does that mean that anyone who wants to work for the US needs to be able to enter the US? I mean if he tried to come back on his red UN passport could they still stop him? Wouldn't they have to PNG him for that?
In fact, it's in come cases more restrictive. Many countries that a regular passport holder can enter without a visa, a dip passport holder must have a visa. |
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