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Superguy Feb 21, 2007 7:22 am


Originally Posted by VideoPaul (Post 7265437)
Welcome to America.

Unfortunately, it's welcome to Amerika, Citizen. :(

Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 21, 2007 7:25 am

Welcome to FT.

Sounds like the TSA is trying to set you up for an administrative fine that may total several thousand dollars. According to AngryDan, this is a "good" thing because it teaches you a lesson. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=20

I'd follow the advise of others here and write letters. I'd also send letters to my elected representatives - while bureaucrats might well try and ignore your complaints, they generally don't ignore complaints forwarded through politicians. I've used that very effectively in the past.

LAY Feb 21, 2007 7:51 am

Sorry
 
Terrible experience, but as stated here, not a surprise.

And this is not political by any means, just the progression of the corruption that started a long time ago, aggravated by current events. Politicians will be politicians: arrogant and detached from the "common people" such as those that HAVE to fly commercial.

My best to the OP wishing for some kind of resolution; don't expect anything from the TSA; if you get a call or any response it will be a bonus.

__________________
Thank you TSA for making me a frequent DRIVER.

Wally Bird Feb 21, 2007 9:31 am


Originally Posted by onewomanink
I was told that even though every officer wears a badge with their name and ID number, I wasn't "allowed" to copy it down or even look at it!
...
I blame this type of treatment not on the individual officers

You should blame the individual officers. Although the TSA does an abysmal job of ensuring its employees follow their SOP, the policies are there and the above is a clear violation.

There are screeners out there doing the job corrrectly and courteously (although none at DEN by all accounts), and I'm sure they are as appalled as the rest of us at the behavior of thugs such as you enountered.

Originally Posted by VideoPaul
I wish I could tell you that writing elected officials will help, but it won't.
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I wish I could tell you that contacting the media will help, but it won't.
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I wish I could tell you that writing the TSA will help.

Very occasionally (very !) one of the above methods does achieve at least an acknowledgement of wrongdoing; nothing ever changes though.

The best you can do is tell everyone you know about this experience. Since the 'authorities' have demonstrated that they will take no meaningful action, it seems the only hope of getting redress or relief is through a grass-roots rebellion(sic). Since those of us who would resist the DHS/TSA excesses are in the minority (even on FT, I suspect) the more people who get to hear of these outrages the better.

VideoPaul Feb 21, 2007 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 7266173)
You should blame the individual officers. Although the TSA does an abysmal job of ensuring its employees follow their SOP, the policies are there and the above is a clear violation.

There are screeners out there doing the job corrrectly and courteously (although none at DEN by all accounts), and I'm sure they are as appalled as the rest of us at the behavior of thugs such as you enountered.
Very occasionally (very !) one of the above methods does achieve at least an acknowledgement of wrongdoing; nothing ever changes though.

The best you can do is tell everyone you know about this experience. Since the 'authorities' have demonstrated that they will take no meaningful action, it seems the only hope of getting redress or relief is through a grass-roots rebellion(sic). Since those of us who would resist the DHS/TSA excesses are in the minority (even on FT, I suspect) the more people who get to hear of these outrages the better.

The problem is that without some sort of accountability, nothing will change.

And without using actual law enforcement officers instead of the fast food rejects they have, nothing will change. Take a look at the crown they employ. With some (SOME) exceptions, these are people who, before the TSA, maxed out their authoritah deciding whether or not to put the fries in the bag right side up. Now they hav e abadge (albeit enbriodered on their shirts) and all kinds of authoritah, and as it has been said for eons, If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

I want to get a chocolate cream pie made out of ex-lax "confiscated' as a liquid and see how many screeners mysteriously wind up with a blistering case of Montezuma's revenge. We have all read the sorrry stories of TSA screeners benig arrested for theft from luggage, or the one guy who was busted after the armed robbery of a jewelry store.

The combination of otherwise unemployable workers and no fear of dicipline or accountability will make this happen more and more. I'm just wondering what kind of popular uprising it's going ot take to rein them in.

--PP

onlyairfare Feb 21, 2007 2:10 pm

I think most of our elected representatives do fly commercial and have to put up with the same "security" screening procedures as the rest of us. I've even seen a few traveling in coach :eek: It's only Nancy Pelosi, who as Speaker of the House requires additional protection, who uses private military jets. After all, was it not Senator Ted Kennedy, (D)-Massachusetts, who found himself on the "no fly" list?

I can only think they must pander to Ma and Pa Kettle and the soccer moms, with "anything for security." Otherwise any opponent would skewer them with accusations of support to terrorists, and allowing threats to our nation.


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