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Originally Posted by Lehava
(Post 7185769)
This seems like a logical plan. And if they stop one kid from being murdered it will have been worth it!
Mission creep is only justifiable if it stands a chance of success. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 7192993)
Unless you happen to be one of the thousands of real parents/guardians who are likely to be "identified" when a TSO "thinks" a child at the checkpoint is the subject of the alert(s).
Mission creep is only justifiable if it stands a chance of success. This seems like a logical plan. And if they stop one kid from being murdered it will have been worth it! The permanent psychological damage done to a young child witnessing their innocent parent(s) being detained, questioned, handcuffed, and led away by inaccountable government officials at an airport checkpoint is simply inexcusable. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 7193127)
I'm not at all connected with the criminal justice system, but what common sense I have tells me that an abductor wouldn't go through the expense of flying someone somewhere just to murder them. I would speculate that most abducted children who are murdered are killed pretty soon after the abduction and fairly close to the scene of the crime. I'm sure there are exceptions, but certainly not enough to justify the TSA spending even more of our tax dollars. I really feel sorry for families flying together who will get harassed and even detained.
The permanent psychological damage done to a young child witnessing their innocent parent(s) being detained, questioned, handcuffed, and led away by inaccountable government officials at an airport checkpoint is simply inexcusable. |
Originally Posted by Lehava This seems like a logical plan. And if they stop one kid from being murdered it will have been worth it! Originally Posted by tom911 I think this is an excellent idea. If anyone on this thread had their child kidnapped, I suspect they'd also want an extra set of eyes looking for the kid. I worked for a PD that had two child abductions where the kids were both found dead out of town. Perhaps that gives me a different perspective than some of this thread |
Originally Posted by red456
(Post 7194518)
Far enough out of town that the killer had to take a plane to get there?
However, there are at least 4 unsolved child abductions in the Bay Area within 25 miles of my home, one with a 4 year old female, another with a 7 year old female, and another with a 3 year old male taken from inside a house during the night. The fourth child was 13 years old. None of these children have been located. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 7192993)
Unless you happen to be one of the thousands of real parents/guardians who are likely to be "identified" when a TSO "thinks" a child at the checkpoint is the subject of the alert(s).
Mission creep is only justifiable if it stands a chance of success. |
Originally Posted by Lehava
(Post 7185769)
And if they stop one kid from being murdered it will have been worth it! Amber alerts only work effectively if they are seen!
This "think of the children" mentality is just ludicrous. I don't ever want to see a kid murdered, but I'm also not willing to further compromise my Constitutional rights, much less disrupt an entire nation depending on efficient and reliable air transport on the one-in-ten-million chance that a murderous child abductor is sniffed out by TSA. LEO's are trained to look for missing children -- they guard the peace, and are professionally qualified to detect suspect behavior. Let them do their job, and leave the rest of us alone. No, it is not worth it. |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 7186147)
At least here in CA, if a vehicle involved, that information is displayed on the overhead freeway signs. I'm all for a much wider distribution if a child has been kidnapped. My own agency had a phone system that could call everyone by phone that lived within a few miles of where a child was kidnapped, but that barely touched the surface of getting the word out.
If the same information can get out to postal workers, utility workers, TSA, or any other government employees out there 24/7, a kidnapped child may have a better chance of being found. In one of the kidnappings my agency handled, the child jumped out of a car in the San Jose area, and was rescued by a truck driver who knew about the kidnapping from media coverage. I'm all for getting the word out to as many people as possible if a child has been kidnapped, and that includes the TSA. There is a limit to the extent to which we are responsible for others in our society, and there is also the concept of diminishing returns. Publicizing a child's disappearance is one thing. Expecting society to come to a halt because a child is missing is another. |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 7194891)
In the two cases I mentioned, the bodies were recovered within 100 miles of where they were kidnapped from (one 14 months after being abducted).
However, there are at least 4 unsolved child abductions in the Bay Area within 25 miles of my home, one with a 4 year old female, another with a 7 year old female, and another with a 3 year old male taken from inside a house during the night. The fourth child was 13 years old. None of these children have been located. |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7195319)
And what makes you think they involved air travel?
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7195268)
Oh, give me a break! The overwhelming majority of Amber Alerts are issued when a non-custodial parent takes the kid. It is, for all intents and purposes, a civil matter and doesn't result in child murders. I can't think of one child murder that involved flying on a commercial airline. Can you?
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Look at this from a different perspective, though. When a child is kidnapped, does it hurt to have more people aware of the kidnapping within hours of it occurring, so if they notice the child on the way to work, or in the back of a car on the way home from work, they can call the police. If the information on the abducted child can get out to more people within hours of the kidnapping, that's more sets of eyes looking. It doesn't have to just be TSA...the info can get out to utility workers, firefighters, postal workers, and if they have a fax, even employees at supermarkets. You could even make the case for a blanket e-mail with a photo attached going out to a region around where the kidnapping occurs, something that doesn't happen now. From my perspective, there's a lot more communication that can be done when a child is abducted compared to just alerting the media and other police agencies, particularly within that first few hours after abduction.
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The TSA has been so ineffective and inefficient, there organizationally is a desparate need to show something, anything that can possibly be considered a benefit to society and can be packaged for PR release. Regardless of whether it's really someother organization's mission or whether the TSA is really effective/efficeint at providing that presumed societal benefit.
I'm waiting for the "TSA/FAM helps cat out of tree story." |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 7196894)
Look at this from a different perspective, though. When a child is kidnapped, does it hurt to have more people aware of the kidnapping within hours of it occurring, so if they notice the child on the way to work, or in the back of a car on the way home from work, they can call the police. If the information on the abducted child can get out to more people within hours of the kidnapping, that's more sets of eyes looking. It doesn't have to just be TSA...the info can get out to utility workers, firefighters, postal workers, and if they have a fax, even employees at supermarkets. You could even make the case for a blanket e-mail with a photo attached going out to a region around where the kidnapping occurs, something that doesn't happen now. From my perspective, there's a lot more communication that can be done when a child is abducted compared to just alerting the media and other police agencies, particularly within that first few hours after abduction.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7195268)
Oh, give me a break! The overwhelming majority of Amber Alerts are issued when a non-custodial parent takes the kid. It is, for all intents and purposes, a civil matter and doesn't result in child murders. I can't think of one child murder that involved flying on a commercial airline. Can you?
This "think of the children" mentality is just ludicrous. I don't ever want to see a kid murdered, but I'm also not willing to further compromise my Constitutional rights, much less disrupt an entire nation depending on efficient and reliable air transport on the one-in-ten-million chance that a murderous child abductor is sniffed out by TSA. LEO's are trained to look for missing children -- they guard the peace, and are professionally qualified to detect suspect behavior. Let them do their job, and leave the rest of us alone. No, it is not worth it. New here and have been luking and reading for a while now, especially in this forum. I have to say, I've heard from other folks that this forum was quite the viper's pit, and from what I've seen, it's true. What gives?:confused: McFlyer |
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