That's because most of them could not speak english...

Rotten apples go for arrogant passengers too!

Rotten apples go for arrogant passengers too!

We pay the security fee on each ticket, which is what funds TSOs' salaries. If a TSO does not fly for pleasure, then s/he is not paying for their salary.

And I will ask you once again, tell me how to get from our 50th state to the mainland using one of your message lines.

Taxes pay salaries too...

Oh, take a boat! Better yet, just comply and quit crying...

Really...well interesting you say that since the plethora of bad apples in your organization is exactly what created the hostile attitude you experience on the job.

So....don't like taking it from us? Then quit and go work in another job. You might as well...as long as there are nasty TSA screeners dishing out their filthy attitude, I will be delivering it right back to them.

Are we talking about the TSA as an organization? I don't see them "going away" anytime soon as such.
Or, was that post meant to refer to the TSA "corporate culture" of nasty, suspicious, petty, anti-passenger attitude? That part, and I'm truly discouraged to have to admit this, will likely be with us another couple of years. I was frankly hoping that the rest of the world would be able to drag the TSA back to the "good old days" by now. :(

And you know that how?

Take a boat -- what a reasonable alternative.:rolleyes: Do you not understand how the business world operates?

The primary complaints by regulars on this forum are how TSO's do not follow SOP. And as for the other concerns, if you can show how the shoe x-rays and liquid ban provide much more than kabuki security while TSA still fails to screen most cargo and fails the tests that have seen the light of day, we'll listen.

Remember, the TSA only saw fit to ban liquids 12 years after the only incident that damaged a plane. And it took the TSA at least a year after Richard Reid before they started x-raying shoes. And Richard Reid is the only person who has ever even tried this.

We've been posting a lot regarding the feasibility of mixing liquids - I'm curious to know the actual possibility of hiding explosives in one's shoes for in-flight detonation?

"So not true. There was no shoe carnival before. There was no haraSSSSment screening at the passenger screening checkpoints. There was no boarding pass/gate pass requirement to go through the screening checkpoint like other passengers. Swiss army pocket knives were not contraband. And that's just the beginning of the list. "

You were still going through an xray machine and limiting what you were taking in carryon. Removing and putting on a jacket and shoes takes what 20 seconds? HaraSSSSment? The last time this happened to me (gold to platinum traveller) was 2003 and before that 2001. In either case, it didn't take very long. The amount of time you probably spend .....ing about these things on flyertalk dwarfs the amount of extra time that security screening takes.

As for pocket knives, they never should have been allowed on and not every jurisdiction was allowing people to go beyond security. In reality, is there really a need?

The actual screening process takes me about 30 seconds added to the ~5 minute lineup for my elite line. Hardly worth the endless complaining that you get on here. As for the TSA, do you think things will change if it was a different agency? They'd probably keep the same people. A private company would probably hire all of the TSA screeners. You can call it the STA, BDS, NJO, ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ, or whatever you want. A screening organization is rightly going to exist in some form or another. They will continue to search bags and people's person and will continue to limit items that you bring on board.

You asserted:

And that's when I responded with:

Here's the exchange:

The following post of yours

was peddling inaccurate historical revisionism. And so I had to demonstrate your statement to be substantially in error before people accepted historical revisionistic spin as historical reality.

Post#55 in this thread should not distract from the recognition of inaccuracy that exists in a post which asserts that we were going through the same process before 9/11 as we are now. The fact is that the pre-9/11 process at US airports is not the same process as that which we have today. Different process steps, different settings, etc.

What's wrong with pocket knives? They are not going to take down an airplane. Why should I have to check luggage just so I can have an innocuous pocket knife. So I broke the blade off one and now carry that, but why should it be that way?

"Is there really a need?" If that is your standard, then much of what we have here in the US fails that test. Need should not be the criteria unless we are willing to subject everything else to that standard.

nothing, nothing at all, just like there's nothing wrong with box cutters.

and before anyone says it couldnt happen again, why take the risk when

a) its not a medically or otherwise necessary to take onboard
b) its easily replacable at walmart etc

cheers.

Why take the risk? Yes, think of the children. :rolleyes: Why don't we ban pens as well since they meet that criteria? And CO provides in FC a knife with serrations with my meal. Guess we need to do away with that too.

a) Have you ever tried to open up those peanut packages onboard?:D

b) So each time I land, I need to spend time to find a Wal-Mart and go buy a knife that I then must leave behind when I head back home? How about doing some cost/benefit analysis on this. Also, I haven't found too many Wal-Marts in the Borough of Manhattan.