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youngbru Dec 7, 2006 6:31 pm

Duty Free
 
I just checked out the new TSA rules on Duty-Free liquids and it is pretty clear that I can now purchase duty-free and get it on the plane into the USA. It was less clear to me if I will be able to get it from the international customs area into domestic area. I will be coming from NRT to PDX and then on to MSP and would like to buy some duty-free Sake. :) Am I going to have any trouble or do I need to check my bag and put the Sake into it when I re-check it domestically?

cpx Dec 7, 2006 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by youngbru (Post 6811991)
I just checked out the new TSA rules on Duty-Free liquids and it is pretty clear that I can now purchase duty-free and get it on the plane into the USA. It was less clear to me if I will be able to get it from the international customs area into domestic area. I will be coming from NRT to PDX and then on to MSP and would like to buy some duty-free Sake. :) Am I going to have any trouble or do I need to check my bag and put the Sake into it when I re-check it domestically?



If you have to clear the security, you cannot carry the liquids on board.
Ie. if you have a domestic connection in US after the first point of
entry (Immigration, customs) you'll have to check that stuff in.

youngbru Dec 7, 2006 10:25 pm

Well NWA at Narita is not going by the rules anyway. They are not letting duty-free liquids on board at all. I talked to the girl at the WorldClub front desk who called a supervisor. She said that it was possible to buy duty-free on-board but not in the terminal. Clearly they have not yet caught up to the TSA guidelines poste on www.nwa.com!

goalie Dec 8, 2006 6:21 am


Originally Posted by cpx (Post 6812024)
If you have to clear the security, you cannot carry the liquids on board.
Ie. if you have a domestic connection in US after the first point of
entry (Immigration, customs) you'll have to check that stuff in.

this is how the u.s. government fights the "war on terrah"-simple and absolutely brilliant :rolleyes: . example: i depart lhr for sfo with a stop at iad. (remember, the u.k. is our friend and ally who started the baggie and one bag only carry-on carnival :mad:). i buy my duty free liquids post security at lhr and i am allowed to bring them on the plane because they have been deemed safe if purchased post security but upon arrvial in the u.s these same liquids deemed safe by our friend and ally are now considered terror threats and i now have to put them in my checked luggage. where's the logic as i just flew 3,000 miles with these same liquids inside the cabin with me and now i can't fly another 3,000 miles? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: kip hawley is a bloody moron.

cestmoi123 Dec 8, 2006 7:40 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 6814017)
where's the logic as i just flew 3,000 miles with these same liquids inside the cabin with me and now i can't fly another 3,000 miles? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: kip hawley is a bloody moron.

Here's the logic: the liquids you brought on board in London are a known quantity, and "safe." Once you've arrived in the states, you had access to your checked luggage while going through customs, and before rechecking it. You could have switched the "safe" liquids for some "evil" liquids that were in your checked luggage before rechecking your bags, and hence be carrying "evil" liquids onto the plane.

IF (and I'm not supporting this if), you believe that having a liter bottle of unknown liquid in carryon luggage on a commercial airliner is enough of a security risk that it should be barred, then the policy goalie describes above actually makes sense.

cpx Dec 8, 2006 7:49 am


Originally Posted by cestmoi123 (Post 6814307)
Here's the logic:

If you look at the big picture.. the logic applied to this whole thing
(TSA as whole) is illogical.

I've cut my travel a lot.. to discourage this and I wish I can cut it even more.:mad:

goalie Dec 8, 2006 8:36 am


Originally Posted by cestmoi123 (Post 6814307)
Here's the logic: the liquids you brought on board in London are a known quantity, and "safe." Once you've arrived in the states, you had access to your checked luggage while going through customs, and before rechecking it. You could have switched the "safe" liquids for some "evil" liquids that were in your checked luggage before rechecking your bags, and hence be carrying "evil" liquids onto the plane.

IF (and I'm not supporting this if), you believe that having a liter bottle of unknown liquid in carryon luggage on a commercial airliner is enough of a security risk that it should be barred, then the policy goalie describes above actually makes sense.

if done correctly, all duty free liquids would have a tamper proof security seal on them. i find it "rather quite diffcult" to un-cork/open a bottle of wine/cognac/scotch/etc and re-seal it (including "tapping the bottom" of the bottle without proper tools as the bottle would break) with all the appropriate items such as a properly inserted cork, foil wrapper and the aforementioned (tho hypothetical) security seal.

another issue along the same line...i was given a bottle of wine by the purser on a domestic ua flight but my problem was that it was on my outbound flight and if i brought it back home with me on my return flight, i'd have to check it. remember, this is an alledgedly secure bottle as it was airline property before it was given to me. again, another reason for a tamper resistant security seal of some sort on bottles.

n.b.: upon arrival at my friend's house, his wife and i thoroughly enjoyed the wine ^ but again, the logic defies me :rolleyes:

LessO2 Dec 8, 2006 8:58 am

Yeah, I'm a terrist if I bring my Right Guard on, but I'm clearly okay to purchase that $4.00 bottle of Dasani at Hudson News. Right.

This baggie BS has nothing to do with safety. It was a rouse, because just to say that you can't bring any liquids with you, yet you can buy that $4.00 bottle of Dasani would be a little obvious.

Also, this is just another thing that proves that money talk and BS walks.

I just stick everything in checked bags now, even pad the bag. My elite perk allows 70 pounds per bag. Not to mention, it's close to winter. Never know how much extra layers of winter clothing I might need for next week's two-day trip....to Miami. Hope you TSAers enjoy lifting my bags.;)

Back to the point.....I just avoid the hassle altogether and don't buy anything at the airport anymore. If more people thought this way, and let the airport vendors and management know, i guarantee the liquid "danger" would vanish pretty quickly.

redburgundy Dec 8, 2006 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by youngbru (Post 6811991)
I just checked out the new TSA rules on Duty-Free liquids and it is pretty clear that I can now purchase duty-free and get it on the plane into the USA. It was less clear to me if I will be able to get it from the international customs area into domestic area. I will be coming from NRT to PDX and then on to MSP and would like to buy some duty-free Sake. :) Am I going to have any trouble or do I need to check my bag and put the Sake into it when I re-check it domestically?

First of all, NRT security is different than other airports. Flying on UA at least, they manually inspect every carryon bag on the ramp to the aircraft, and don't allow any liquids except for the one quart baggie. If flying to the US, that includes duty-free purchases. If flying to Asia, duty-free purchases are delivered after the manual bag check and are allowed.
Second, connecting at a US airport, if you have to go through security again (like at SFO for example), the same no-liquids rules apply. So duty-free liquid purchases would have to be checked or discarded at that point. But if you don't have to go through security again, then you're OK to carry the duty-free liquids.


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