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Originally Posted by themicah
(Post 8414071)
The mess wouldn't occur from simply using an expired passport as ID. It would come from reporting a passport as lost when it really isn't.
A few years ago he got SSSSed and the TSA found his cache of IDs and credit cards in his carryon. He ended up pleading guilty to a federal felony as a direct result of that TSA search, and I'm 90% sure the charge was based on his intentionally defrauding the gov't by saying his old passport was lost when it really wasn't. Be warned. |
Good point Essxjay...I guess the TSA wouldn't be verifying the PP in any database as the Immigration folks do...I am just used to having my PP run through a 'scanner' every time I physically give it to someone rather than just flash it, which in retrospect is always crossing borders.
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So do I correctly understand that an expired, canceled passport is not an acceptable form of identification for TSA checkpoints? I ask because I need to get a new driver's license in my new state and I'm pretty sure I'll have a temporary piece of paper that may or may not have a photo. I have a valid passport, but I don't like the idea of having to carry it for domestic travel.
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Originally Posted by mkt
(Post 8414449)
I have 2 passports (US and Spain), 4 recognized citizenships (US, Guatemala, Spain, and France), and 1 unrecognized citizenship (PR). I also have valid Florida, California, Puerto Rico, and Texas drivers licenses.
The only benefit this offers me is denying my American nationality when need be... and an extra license should mine ever get suspended. |
Originally Posted by timezone_trooper
(Post 8501763)
So do I correctly understand that an expired, canceled passport is not an acceptable form of identification for TSA checkpoints? I ask because I need to get a new driver's license in my new state and I'm pretty sure I'll have a temporary piece of paper that may or may not have a photo. I have a valid passport, but I don't like the idea of having to carry it for domestic travel.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 6779841)
"Hey dude, I need an ID. Can you go to the DMV and tell them you lost yours?"
(Actual conversation that took place many, many times in my fraternity house) Presto, 2 IDs, both with valid expiration dates. Conclusion: expiration date proves nothing. |
Originally Posted by timezone_trooper
(Post 8501763)
I have a valid passport, but I don't like the idea of having to carry it for domestic travel.
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 8502173)
I would prefer to use it since it has less self-identifying information than a DL does. And if you are traveling domestically, losing a passport is less problematic than losing a DL since you need it to drive.
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Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 6779563)
just out of curiousity, can anyone cite the reg as to wether it states that it must be a "gov't issued i/d" or a "valid gov't issued i/d". in all my travels, i have not yet once heard anyone of the i/d checkers or barkers mention the word valid.
49 USC 44902 provides (a) Mandatory Refusal. - The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall prescribe regulations requiring an air carrier, intrastate air carrier, or foreign air carrier to refuse to transport - (1) a passenger who does not consent to a search under section 44901(a) of this title establishing whether the passenger is carrying unlawfully a dangerous weapon, explosive, or other destructive substance; or (2) property of a passenger who does not consent to a search of the property establishing whether the property unlawfully contains a dangerous weapon, explosive, or other destructive substance. (b) Permissive Refusal. - Subject to regulations of the Administrator, an air carrier, intrastate air carrier, or foreign air carrier may refuse to transport a passenger or property the carrier decides is, or might be, inimical to safety. (c) Agreeing to Consent to Search. - An agreement to carry passengers or property in air transportation or intrastate air transportation by an air carrier, intrastate air carrier, or foreign air carrier is deemed to include an agreement that the passenger or property will not be carried if consent to search the passenger or property for a purpose referred to in this section is not given. For domestic commercial flights, the regulations are found at 49 CFR part 1540: Section 5 defines "sterile area." 49 CFR 1540.107 Submission to screening and inspection. No individual may enter a sterile area or board an aircraft without submitting to the screening and inspection of his or her person and accessible property in accordance with the procedures being applied to control access to that area or aircraft under this subchapter. Part 1546 relates to international travel. Ask any Holocaust survivor if (s)he felt safer because everybody had to show their papers upon demand. “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin (1759) - |
Originally Posted by RgnadKzin
(Post 8502985)
Ask any Holocaust survivor if (s)he felt safer because everybody had to show their papers upon demand.
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Originally Posted by bzbdewd
(Post 8501788)
I thought it was illegal to have more than one valid driver's license at a time? For the exact reason you stated.
As for the legalities. My Florida and Texas licenses are nonresident licenses since I own land in both states and therefore only valid in their state of issue. California is officially my state of residency (for a few years now), so it's my main license. And with the proper paperwork filed through an attorney explaining your reason for needing to keep your US license, Puerto Rico will allow you to keep a mainland US license. My reason? I'm only here for 2 years and plan on keeping my residence in the states. |
Originally Posted by Old NFO
(Post 6778807)
I had a similar situation with the idjit at DFW Terminal B yesterday- I didn't have my normal ID handy, so I showed my retired military ID, they REFUSED to accept it as it says indefinate for expiration. Finally one of the TSA bubba's strolled over and told them it was okay...:mad:
Also this same crew was damn near requiring the soldiers going back to the sandbox to strip to get through the WTMD. Absolutely ridiculous... In other states, the law maintains that as long as you are on active duty outside of the state, the license remains valid regardless of whatever it says on the expiration. This too can be a challenge when dealing with those who aren't as aware as they should be. |
Originally Posted by STAM4NICK
(Post 6780522)
I sometimes use my Hong Kong Identity Card as ID -- it is a government issued with a photo --- can recall Columbus, OH no problems but in LGA had problems of all places I would expect them to be familiar with Hong Kong identity documents, not Ohio.
Needless to say, the HKID does not have an expiration date. It only has the issuance date twice in two formats one in smaller font than the other, so it confuses some screeners as the date is from years ago in international format. It does not expire as it is my permanent identity. Typically they are issued to residents and/or HK passport holders, thus no need for an expiration as it really just reflects resdiency which you had to have in the first place in order to get it with some exceptions. Though, my identity does not change thus "permanent" ---- mine does not say permanent since I am not a current resident of HK...boo hoo |
Originally Posted by Jebby_ca
(Post 8958240)
This postfrom STAM4NICK is over a year old now, just wondering if STAM4NICK or anyone else has any more current experience about showing an HKID for the ID check?
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Originally Posted by PaulKarl
(Post 8405745)
The closest I ever came to truly "going postal":
I was at the Hollywood Post Office submitting the paperwork to rent a P.O. box. I had done my homework online, and I brought two forms of unexpired, government-issued ID, i.e., one California DL and one California ID. The officious postal clerk demanded more documentation because, even though the DL and ID were different documents with different photos taken on different days, the reference number on both was the same. I handed over my proof of auto insurance card. She reviewed it closely and rejected it on the ground that it expired several days earlier. I explained that sometimes the insurance company sends the new card a week or two late, but that shouldn't matter because (1) I'm obviously me and (2) the Post Office is renting me a P.O. box not a frickin' car. Not good enough. So I drove back to Sherman Oaks to retrieve my passport, thinking dark thoughts. Now I make it a point to avoid that postal clerk. Wonder if he's working for the TSA now... |
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