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Fine for Smoking in the Lavoratory?
Hi,
Anyone know what the fine is for smoking in the lavoratory? Or what the penalties can be? Anyway, i know it says like $20k fine for tampering with the smoke detector... but in this case, the guy didn't tamper with it, cause it went off. So i'm curious what the penalty is for being stupid enough to light up in the lav on the plane. Espeically cause he caused us to be delayed even longer. ----------------- background story if anyone wants to read it I was in a flight from LAX to Vegas. It was a horrible flight, we actually flew to LAS, circled and had to come back cause we ran out of gas and they still had us in holding pattern. We end up on the ground at LAX again for about 3 hours, waiting in quene to take off. Then some knucklehead goes into the lav and lights up. Then the smoke alarm siren starts up and he hi-tails it back to his seat. The guy smells like an ashtray and it's obvious it was him. They take us back to gate and out of quene (which from a friend on the flight right after us) started moving about 20min. after that. We end up going back to the gate, (now the whole plane smells like smoke), and the announcement comes "Everyone please stay seated for a moment when we reach the gate". That makes me grin cause I know the knucklehead is about to get escorted off by security. Sure enough on come the Airpot police and take him off. Witness info was gathered as well I believe from some passengers. Anyway, an hour later after some mechanical issues we are back up in the air and i finish by 6.5 hour trip from LAX - LAS.... unreal. At least there is plenty to do after 2am in Vegas baby! |
The federal government prohibits smoking on all U.S. airline flights arriving in or departing from the United States . 49 U.S.C.A. § 41706 (a) (2005).
Civil fines for smoking on an airline flight range from $2,200 for smoking in an airplane seat or cabin to $3,300 for smoking in an airplane lavatory. Tampering with a smoke detector installed in an airplane lavatory is punishable by a $2,200 fine. 14 C.F.R. § 121.317(g), (h), (i) (2005); 49 U.S.C.A. § 46301 (2005). |
I've been at the destination airport when a call about a fire onboard a plane came through. The passenger disabled the smoke detector and lit up. Shortly before landing, the passenger threw his lit cigarette in the trash bin. It began to smolder and created a lot of smoke. Sure enough, the passenger was arrested. I'm glad it occured at the very end of the flight, instead of during the ascent.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
The federal government prohibits smoking on all U.S. airline flights arriving in or departing from the United States . 49 U.S.C.A. § 41706 (a) (2005).
Civil fines for smoking on an airline flight range from $2,200 for smoking in an airplane seat or cabin to $3,300 for smoking in an airplane lavatory. Tampering with a smoke detector installed in an airplane lavatory is punishable by a $2,200 fine. 14 C.F.R. § 121.317(g), (h), (i) (2005); 49 U.S.C.A. § 46301 (2005). |
There's a video going around of someone smoking on an aircraft. He did this as a stunt and was fined $25k. I wish I could find the link. The guy was a COMPLETE loser and deserved the fine.
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Originally Posted by cartman13
I swear that bonehead deserves to pay every dollar of that. Thanks for the replies!
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Originally Posted by TSASuper
I've been at the destination airport when a call about a fire onboard a plane came through. The passenger disabled the smoke detector and lit up. Shortly before landing, the passenger threw his lit cigarette in the trash bin. It began to smolder and created a lot of smoke. Sure enough, the passenger was arrested. I'm glad it occured at the very end of the flight, instead of during the ascent.
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Heh, on a flight from Chicago to Brussels I was cought smoking in the lav as I came out.
Two Belgian FA´s(Sabena flight, damn I miss em) asked Were you smoking in there(alarm didnt go of) and being the honest guy that I am I said yes. Please dont do that again, if the US attended knows you will get a 2000$ fine. Havent since. |
Originally Posted by Doppy
There are a couple of cases of fires starting in lavatories (presumably from someone smoking) that have killed almost everyone on the plane within a few minutes. This jackass should be in jail.
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Originally Posted by Traveller
Wow, when was this??? Any links?
The other was a Varig flight 820 on a 707 on 7/11/73 - another aft lavatory fire, this time while the plane was already making its descent into Orly at 8000 feet when smoke was discovered. Six mintues later they made an emergency landing 5km away from the airport because they didn't think they could make it. 123 out of 124 passengers died, as did 7 out of 17 crew (most of the survivors were in the cockpit where they opened a window for ventilation). Both of these were suspected to have been caused by someone smoking in the lav. |
Originally Posted by etch5895
debtors prison
I agree wholeheartedly. ^ |
Originally Posted by Doppy
There are two that I'm thinking of. One was AC797 on 6/2/83, a DC9 - a fire started in an aft lavatory quickly filled the cabin with smoke. By the time they got the plane down and evacuated, 23 out of 41 passengers died. This was about 20-30 minutes after they first thought something was wrong.
The other was a Varig flight 820 on a 707 on 7/11/73 - another aft lavatory fire, this time while the plane was already making its descent into Orly at 8000 feet when smoke was discovered. Six mintues later they made an emergency landing 5km away from the airport because they didn't think they could make it. 123 out of 124 passengers died, as did 7 out of 17 crew (most of the survivors were in the cockpit where they opened a window for ventilation). Both of these were suspected to have been caused by someone smoking in the lav. |
I checked on both flights and neither has been conclusively tied to smoking BTW.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...0711-0&lang=en http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR86-02.pdf |
Originally Posted by Doppy
There are two that I'm thinking of. One was AC797 on 6/2/83, a DC9 - a fire started in an aft lavatory quickly filled the cabin with smoke. By the time they got the plane down and evacuated, 23 out of 41 passengers died. This was about 20-30 minutes after they first thought something was wrong.
Originally Posted by NTSB Report Air Canada DOUGLAS DC-9-32
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 20436.
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 129: Foreign operation of AIR CANADA Accident occurred Thursday, June 02, 1983 in COVINGTON, KY Aircraft: DOUGLAS DC-9-32, registration: CFTLU Injuries: 23 Fatal, 3 Serious, 13 Minor, 7 Uninjured ABOUT 1903 EDT, WHILE ENROUTE AT FL 330, THE CABIN CREW DISCOVERED A FIRE IN THE AFT LAVATORY. AFTER CONTACTING ATC & DECLARING AN EMERGENCY, THE FLT CREW MADE AN EMERGENCY DESCENT & ATC VECTORED THE ACFT TO THE GREATER CINCINNATI INTL ARPT. AT 1920, THE ACFT WAS LANDED ON RWY 27L. AS THE AIRCREW STOPPED THE PLANE, FIRE DEPT PLERSONNEL MOVED IN PLACE & BEGAN FIREFIGHTING OPERATIONS. ALSO, AS THE PLANE STOPPED, THE OCCUPANTS BEGAN EVACUATIONS THE ACFT. ABOUT 60 TO 90 SEC AFTER THE EXITS WERE OPENED, A FLASH FIRE ENVELOPED THE INTERIOR OF THE ACFT. 23 PASSENGERS WERE UNABLE TO EXIT THE ACFT & DIED IN THE FIRE. AN INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT 3 FLUSH MOTOR CIRCUIT BREAKERS HAD POPPED ABOUT 11 MIN BEFORE SMOKE WAS DETECTED. THE CAPTAIN MISCONSTRUED REPORTS THAT THE FIRE WAS ABATING WHEN HE RECEIVED CONFLICTING FIRE PROGRESS REPORTS. SUBSEQUENTLY, HE LANDED AT THE CINCINNATI INTL ARPT RATHER THAN AT LOUISVILLE WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO LAND 3 TO 5 MIN SOONER. WET TOWELS & BREATHING THRU CLOTHING AIDED SURVIVAL. FIRE SOURCE UNK. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: MISC EQPT/FURNISHINGS,LAVATORIES..FIRE SAFETY ADVISORY..CONFLICTING..OTHER CREWMEMBER UNSAFE/HAZARDOUS CONDITION..NOT UNDERSTOOD..PILOT IN COMMAND Contributing Factors FUSELAGE,CABIN..SMOKE FUSELAGE,CREW COMPARTMENT..SMOKE DELAYED |
Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
Here is the NTSB report on this one. It doesn't specificly state that it was due to smoking, but other reports I've read in the past indicate it was:
The cause of the fires in both of the accidents cited was never established; a discarded cigarette could not be ruled out neither could it be definitively shown to have been the source. If you read the AC797 report thoroughly you may find that the scenario for a cigarette starting the fire is so contrived as to be virtually impossible. There have been other unexplained in-flight fires which could conceivably have involved a cigarette, but this has never been proven. To reiterate, no airline crash has ever been shown to be as the result of smoking in the cabin. Not one. |
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