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I was detained at the TSA checkpoint for about 25 minutes today
Sep 27, 2006, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
This is no laughing matter....this incident was a seditious violation of your Constitutional rights by the parties involved and you need to be proactive to make sure the TSA doesn't escalate this internally to the point where you end up on a watch list or are barred from flying outright.
The TSA does have a civil rights hotline you can file a complaint with, but IME they do not respond in any way, shape, or form to e-mails sent there.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by exerda
The TSA does have a civil rights hotline you can file a complaint with, but IME they do not respond in any way, shape, or form to e-mails sent there.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by themicah
Both the TSA guy and the deputy technically are right: there are limits to your First Amendment rights. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater and speech that could be interpreted as a threat (or "fighting words") can be restricted.
That said, it's idiotic to think that "Kip Hawley is an idiot" = a threat. I suppose Mr. Hawley should be proud of his minions, however, for at least being consistent.
That said, it's idiotic to think that "Kip Hawley is an idiot" = a threat. I suppose Mr. Hawley should be proud of his minions, however, for at least being consistent.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by exerda
(and in no way can "Kip Hawley is an idiot" be construed to be prohibited speech at a checkpoint, unlike the "jokes" the TSA constantly warns us about making)
Sep 27, 2006, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by kaukau
It's all heresay. As galling as it is. All heresay. Am I wrong? Hard to prove a suit, but makes a great story.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
My remark about kids playing pretend was aimed at those who believe that there should be a widespread effort to write "Kip Hawley is an idiot" on plastic bags as a form of protest. That's pretty wimpy stuff. If they're serious about this issue, then step to the front and organize action groups to tackle it head-on. Organize committees to speak to airline heads, DHS, Congresspersons, etc. to push this issue.
But scrawling a childish little playground taunt on a plastic bag? C'mon.
But scrawling a childish little playground taunt on a plastic bag? C'mon.
An adult would not be taunted by it.
Only someone with a socially ill-adjusted child's mentality would behave like a bully on "Company time" just because some character on TV was being called an idiot.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by kaukau
"What's that written on the bag? Some kind of joke?"
Then again, the TSA is itself a joke and ought to be prohibited by their rules.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:34 am
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Actually, imo, most employees agree the boss is an idiot! "Pays me spit, rides around in a limo." etc.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by kaukau
"What's that written on the bag? Some kind of joke?"
Sep 27, 2006, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
It translated back to "Kip Hawley is foolish" so I accepted it.
Anyway, and more on topic: I hope the OP follows up with some of the journalists / the person from the ACLU who have posted in this thread. This may be a good chance to draw some national attention to the absurdity of the TSA's rules.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
But scrawling a childish little playground taunt on a plastic bag? C'mon.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Leslie Miller
I'm a reporter for Associated Press and I'm very interested in hearing your story. You can email me at [email protected].
To the OP, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to take the AP up on their interview request and also to allow the ACLU to persue this. This could be the equivalent to Rosa Parks in the brave new world...
--PP
Sep 27, 2006, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Ari
Really? I didn't know that. (I guess it hasn't come up in my case). What's that about?
Earlier this summer, I heard a news piece about a guy from California who got a parking ticket in Michigan while on a trip. He sent the check to them with something along the lines of, "[minor swear word here] Money Grab" on the "memo" line of the check.
The Michigan court then issued him a summons for some ridiculous offense (contempt of court), and he had to travel back there and pay a larger fine to avoid jail time. IMHO, it was a blatant abuse of power by the Michigan authorities.
Edited: I saw bollar linked to the Digg thread on this particular incident.
Last edited by exerda; Sep 27, 2006 at 10:47 am Reason: saw a link to this case back in post #70
Sep 27, 2006, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Scifience
Yeah, it would, but the construction was awkward. である on the end was just strange. Also, it put part of his name into katakana (the Japanese script for foreign names/words) but left Hawley in English.
Sep 27, 2006, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by stevenshev
Um...not to be contrarian, but why the hell would you unnecessaily make a seen and thereby, even if incorrectly on their part, waste the time of TSA/Police Officers who could spend their time doing "better things." Yes, they are clueless as to your rights, but at the same time, yes, you are an ... for not making the process as simple as possible for everyone involved. No offense intended, just a statement of my humble opinion.
I'm not even sure you can qualify this as a waste of the TSA's time, since they're the idiots who proved the OP's statement actually applies to at least the several TSA employees in question in addition to Kip Hawley.