View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree with the action undertaken by MKEbound?
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766
75.92%
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144
14.27%
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75
7.43%
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24
2.38%
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I was detained at the TSA checkpoint for about 25 minutes today
#1501
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Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
A biased first hand account. Given that neither you nor I probably know MKEBound personally an attempt to state that he would be more reliable is quite a stretch.
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
Just because he says it's true and they aren't providing evidence that it isn't, it must be true?
#1502
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Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool
How exactly was he penalized? He was hassled a bit but not anywhere near any seriousness. I just don't understand how he was a martyr for free speech so please stop making him look like some sort of hero standing up for the downtrodden. As I've said before, I think it was a funny prank and I'd do the same thing, but to compare it to some revolutionary stand... i think not.
However, I want to address your point: It may not be a revolutionary stand to write a few words of protest on a baggie, but you yourself stated you will be willing to do the same thing.
I hope you do.
I hope more people speak up, write their Senators, write the TSA, write letters to the Editors, talk to their friends about the TSA, etc.
In the end, I want positive change at the TSA.
Who knows what the magic number of people doing these sort of things will be to cause real change, but it's easy to ignore us when it's just me or a few Flyertalkers. It's a lot harder to ignore thousands of people who are pointing out how idiotic some of the policies of Kip Hawley are.
Check out post 1249 for more information
#1503
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Originally Posted by MKEbound
Yes, check out post #1184
Also, if anyone want to go back to the original first post I've added some links at the bottom to some of the important follow up post.
Also, if anyone want to go back to the original first post I've added some links at the bottom to some of the important follow up post.
#1504
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Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool
How exactly was he penalized? He was hassled a bit but not anywhere near any seriousness. I just don't understand how he was a martyr for free speech so please stop making him look like some sort of hero standing up for the downtrodden. As I've said before, I think it was a funny prank and I'd do the same thing, but to compare it to some revolutionary stand... i think not.
#1505
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: IND
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Originally Posted by MKEbound
It sure is a weird experience when so many people are willing to debate your motivation, expectations and truthfulness when they have never met you.
GG
#1506
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by MKEbound
It's tough for me to be objective in these sort of discussions so I've tried only to post to answer direct questions, report the events and to clarify points of discussion. It sure is a weird experience when so many people are willing to debate your motivation, expectations and truthfulness when they have never met you.
However, I want to address your point: It may not be a revolutionary stand to write a few words of protest on a baggie, but you yourself stated you will be willing to do the same thing.
I hope you do.
I hope more people speak up, write their Senators, write the TSA, write letters to the Editors, talk to their friends about the TSA, etc.
In the end, I want positive change at the TSA.
Who knows what the magic number of people doing these sort of things will be to cause real change, but it's easy to ignore us when it's just me or a few Flyertalkers. It's a lot harder to ignore thousands of people who are pointing out how idiotic some of the policies of Kip Hawley are.
Check out post 1249 for more information
However, I want to address your point: It may not be a revolutionary stand to write a few words of protest on a baggie, but you yourself stated you will be willing to do the same thing.
I hope you do.
I hope more people speak up, write their Senators, write the TSA, write letters to the Editors, talk to their friends about the TSA, etc.
In the end, I want positive change at the TSA.
Who knows what the magic number of people doing these sort of things will be to cause real change, but it's easy to ignore us when it's just me or a few Flyertalkers. It's a lot harder to ignore thousands of people who are pointing out how idiotic some of the policies of Kip Hawley are.
Check out post 1249 for more information
#1507
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Houston
Programs: CO Plat; Marriott Silver; Hilton Gold
Posts: 623
I'm usually a lurker to the FT forum but this is such a raw-nerve topic for me.
IMO it doesn't stop with Hawly, it goes all the way to the top. Our rights are being eroded/denied based on knee-jerk reactions of incompetent political appointees who don't have a clue.
I don't know that I would be brave enough to "test" TSA screeners, but Kay Bailey gets an earful on issues I feel very strongly about, of which this is one. Her staff must cringe everytime they see an email from me.....
TSA is a synonym for "window-dressing". We're no safer now than we were on 9/10/01.
Major kudos to those of you who are willing to push TSA.
IMO it doesn't stop with Hawly, it goes all the way to the top. Our rights are being eroded/denied based on knee-jerk reactions of incompetent political appointees who don't have a clue.
I don't know that I would be brave enough to "test" TSA screeners, but Kay Bailey gets an earful on issues I feel very strongly about, of which this is one. Her staff must cringe everytime they see an email from me.....
TSA is a synonym for "window-dressing". We're no safer now than we were on 9/10/01.
Major kudos to those of you who are willing to push TSA.
#1508
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Far be it from me to tell someone how many posts on one single thread is "enough" or "too many" but IMO, if you can't get your message across in fewer than 36 separate posts in about 14 hours, you need to re-think your persuasive skills.
#1509
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Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
I'm dying to know why so many of you think it is OK to square off with TSA screeners and the like. Have any of you ever given any merit to the fact that these people are just as sick and tired of the crap that people deal them everyday as you are of the crap you have to go through to board a plane? I'm personally offended when people just for the basis of making a political statement engage in these silly exchanges with screeners. I can assure you that you are much more of a pain to them than they could ever be to anyone of us.
#1510
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Originally Posted by doober
Is not every candidate for an advanced degree required to write a thesis?
In my program (information assurance) and the University of Maryland, I am not required to write a thesis. In fact, it isn't even an option. Instead of the 30 credits + a thesis, we take 39 credits instead. A project was an option previously and is in some programs, but mine doesn't require it anymore.
Instead, I have to write tons of papers during the coursework to make up for it.
#1511
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Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
Please spare me the psychobable of Constitutional Rights. You'd be removed from my house if you came in here talking trash about me, you can say what you want but you can't do it in my house. This would apply in most any setting. I can make you leave and you can do nothing about it, you are not protected by the constitution if you go into someone else's "house" and attempt to discredit or smear their name.
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
It is what it is, he thinks that because he is a "normal" passenger that he is exempt from the rules, this kind of thinking will ensure he is treated like a common criminal.
#1512
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Originally Posted by hoyateach
Yes he was...unless you're suggesting he could've just walked away without anyone yelling at him to stop. I'm certain the TSO involved would not have let him just walk off without calling security.
#1513
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Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
So then none of you would mind if the rest of us who just want to board our flights without incident ask that you not be allowed to board because we feel threatened that you might cause a disruption on the flight. Do you think that the TSA would take the time to investigate our claims? Would I be violating your rights or would they?
#1514
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Originally Posted by TKarma
Geez, I really don't want to go through Flight 93 again, do you?
Well you may not know this, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dying.
[/KEVIN COSTNER VOICE]
Sorry to pick on you out of all the back and forth on this topic, but anytime I see a person who seems willing to give up freedoms for fear of dying, this quote from "Open Range" always comes to mind.
Jammer
#1515
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Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
So you were there? How slow did the lines move because security was heightened? I can assure you that other screens did in fact have a more watchful eye after the incident.