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justageek Sep 14, 2006 10:27 am

I agree with the previous posters.

The only service that would justify $200 and sacrificing your personal information to a private contractor's database (surely to be lost on an employee's stolen laptop within the first month) is if you can literally present your card and bypass the security line altogether. Otherwise this is nothing more than another name for the elite line, but requiring much more sacrifice (and much less return) than elite status.

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 14, 2006 10:52 am


Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
The cost for all this might be $200 on paper but having all your personal information in one database managed by these monkeys will probably not be worth it.

I'd want to check the privacy rules very closely. Brill used to own media companies that would have paid mucho dinero for this kind of personal information.... think of the resale value.

thomasrich Sep 14, 2006 11:03 am


Originally Posted by essxjay
Sidebar info graphic:



N.B. this does *not* include the estimated $80 in annual fees to the companies maintaining the program. *feh*

What can you expect from the folks that pay $600 for a toilet seat and $400 for a hammer? Just another way to rape the taxpayers. :mad:

TierFlyer Sep 14, 2006 11:09 am

Well, I just lost a bet - I didn't think the *entire* glass-half-full contingent would come out on this.

As i said, if it saves me five minutes/airport trip I'd pay for it without hesitation.

I also know that my background check would come back clean since I've already passed one for my CCW and for another for a board I'm on. So I know that my information is also in a local and state government database - fingerprints, etc, etc. So I'm not worried about that.

FliesWay2Much Sep 14, 2006 11:37 am

[QUOTE]They actually did a pretty darn good job, assuming they actually do what they told the American people and Congress they would do.[/URL]

Huge assumption, IMO, and quite frankly one that I'm not willing to fritter away $200 on to check the veracity of some "assessment".

essxjay Sep 14, 2006 11:43 am


Originally Posted by TierFlyer
So I know that my information is also in a local and state government database - fingerprints, etc, etc. So I'm not worried about that.

So, is there nothing about this plan that worries you? Mission creep doesn't, well, creep into your mind? Very well, then ...

As I said, Tier, the queue starts behind you on this one.

LessO2 Sep 14, 2006 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
I'd want to check the privacy rules very closely. Brill used to own media companies that would have paid mucho dinero for this kind of personal information.... think of the resale value.

Hell, just look at today's news. The US Government wants to change the rules of the Geneva Convention to its liking.

Do you really think that any stated privacy right now will be around after awhile?

Xyzzy Sep 14, 2006 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by justageek
The only service that would justify $200 and sacrificing your personal information to a private contractor's database (surely to be lost on an employee's stolen laptop within the first month) is if you can literally present your card and bypass the security line altogether. Otherwise this is nothing more than another name for the elite line, but requiring much more sacrifice (and much less return) than elite status.

You can bet that if this program goes forward the current elite lines will go away. Instead, we will see lines for sheeple participating in this program. Just look Orlando for an example.

PDXracer Sep 14, 2006 2:45 pm

If its tax deductible at years end as a business expense, I would pay it.

(it does not in anyway, make me feel any safer)

mbstone Sep 14, 2006 2:48 pm


$70 airport screener salaries

$30 terrorism background check

$50-$75 enrollment, ID card

$23 criminal background check

$173-$198: Total
Not getting anything of value in return................... Worthless

GUWonder Sep 14, 2006 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by TierFlyer
Well, I just lost a bet - I didn't think the *entire* glass-half-full contingent would come out on this.

As i said, if it saves me five minutes/airport trip I'd pay for it without hesitation.

I also know that my background check would come back clean since I've already passed one for my CCW and for another for a board I'm on. So I know that my information is also in a local and state government database - fingerprints, etc, etc. So I'm not worried about that.

With a name and a phone number, it's not too difficult to make sure that someone has a mess when it comes to some of these "checks".

Spiff Sep 14, 2006 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by mbstone
Not getting anything of value in return................... Worthless

^ ^ Well done!

For everything else, there's MasterFarce.

Xyzzy Sep 14, 2006 2:57 pm

I can see the logo on the MasterFarce card now -- two sheep heads, one red one yellow, next to each other.

essxjay Sep 15, 2006 12:14 am


Originally Posted by xyzzy
I can see the logo on the MasterFarce card now -- two sheep heads, one red one yellow, next to each other.

<threadjack>A Wacky Packs classic-to-be ... :D

Anyone? Anyone??

</threadjack>

TravellingMan Sep 15, 2006 8:02 pm

Have any of you folks signed up for the registry? The offer from Credit Cards to help you make your minumum payments in case you lose your job. Anyone who has read the offer carefully knows it is a waste of money. Similarly the Registered Travelers program.

But knowing how efficient marketing works, they would sell it to the public in such a way that normal people would stampede to get one for themselves. Maybe all federal buildings will require you to have a card before they would let you in. Like a defacto ID card. Look at the Drivers License and Social Security number, even your supermarket would like to get it (most people fill out forms even if the information is not required) for giving you a loyalty card.

I bet all the information that they need for registered travelers program is already there in one database in private/government hands.


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