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Belgium holds 17 in terrorist plot
And not a single Muslim in sight.
Must be why the International media isnt giving much attention to it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5325198.stm |
Those arrested were mainly "soldiers and people with an extreme-right ideology who clearly express themselves through racism, xenophobia, Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism and neo-Nazism", the federal prosecutor's office said in a statement. |
I live in Belgium, its a big deal over here and on news programmes and in newspapers we have gotten a lot of details about this.
A huge arsenal of weapons was seized including rocket launchers and even self made explosive devices. Pretty nasty stuff in all and it actually shocks me to see that internationally almost no one is reporting on this. |
There are quite a few terrorists in the world who are not Muslim, it's just that the Muslim variety seem to be much more focused on (in descending order of effectiveness): Other "less right" Muslims, Jews, Westerners, Americans.
Sounds to me that these guys were your garden variety Euro Fascists. What surprises me is that they got all that armament safely though air-tight non-TSA Euro-security. :-) |
Originally Posted by TierFlyer
There are quite a few terrorists in the world who are not Muslim, it's just that the Muslim variety seem to be much more focused on (in descending order of effectiveness): Other "less right" Muslims, Jews, Westerners, Americans.
And the generalization about what "the Muslim variety" seem to be much more focused on doesn't tell the whole story. Such generalization actually covers up the key story that most terrorist activity is based on local grievances and is aimed locally -- and that "collateral damage" is accepted by them too. :eek: But selling those items to the American public just doesn't sell as well to the general public as a big monster, an overarching enemy of mythical proportions. After all, looking for a replacement of the big bad commie enemies is "useful" and selling such animals has precedent.
Originally Posted by TierFlyer
Sounds to me that these guys were your garden variety Euro Fascists.
What surprises me is that they got all that armament safely though air-tight non-TSA Euro-security. :-) As I've noted here, there are a lot of right-wingers (including those connected with neo-nazi-type ideologies) who are involved in the European security services, including with airport security and immigration/customs functions. And "the bosses" don't much care to "clean house" even when it's brought to attention. This is one area where the US "security services" are generally better dispositioned than many European security equivalents. |
Originally Posted by TierFlyer
There are quite a few terrorists in the world who are not Muslim, it's just that the Muslim variety seem to be much more focused on (in descending order of effectiveness): Other "less right" Muslims, Jews, Westerners, Americans.
Sounds to me that these guys were your garden variety Euro Fascists. What surprises me is that they got all that armament safely though air-tight non-TSA Euro-security. :-) |
Originally Posted by Yaatri
I think what your post is saying is that Muslim terrorist make the news because of who there target is. I would agree with that. More people have died in India from terrorism both before and since 9/11 than on 9/11. Since 9/11 happen so close to home, along with the theatrical nature of TV news, it has had much bigger impact on Americans When we are terrorised by our own kind, we forget more easily than when we are terrorised by someone who looks different.
One of the great things about FT is the international perspective and stories being covered on FT that would otherwise not make most news-reading radars here in the US. |
Originally Posted by Fishie
I live in Belgium, its a big deal over here and on news programmes and in newspapers we have gotten a lot of details about this.
A huge arsenal of weapons was seized including rocket launchers and even self made explosive devices. Pretty nasty stuff in all and it actually shocks me to see that internationally almost no one is reporting on this. Not to mention that the TSA and the FAA have swept the shoulder-fired rocket launcher possibility under the rug awhile ago. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
The majority of terrorists involved in blood-spilling incidents are not muslims.
And the generalization about what "the Muslim variety" seem to be much more focused on doesn't tell the whole story. Such generalization actually covers up the key story that most terrorist activity is based on local grievances and is aimed locally -- and that "collateral damage" is accepted by them too. :eek: But selling those items to the American public just doesn't sell as well to the general public as a big monster, an overarching enemy of mythical proportions. After all, looking for a replacement of the big bad commie enemies is "useful" and selling such animals has precedent. Your observations are far too sensible for a Friday afternoon. Besides, the American public is not yet ready to admit that terrorism is perpetrated by state actors to under the guise of defence of freedom, war on terror (war on brown people), war on drugs (war on poor people), etc. |
Extremist and Anti-Government groups also want to bring about the 'racial holy wars' that they are always spouting off about. Anything to make the government look bad is considered good. Some ex and active duty military in the US have been involved in some scary s@#t too, but usually do something stupid to get caught if they try to do it while they are still in the service.
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Originally Posted by etch5895
Extremist and Anti-Government groups also want to bring about the 'racial holy wars' that they are always spouting off about. Anything to make the government look bad is considered good. Some ex and active duty military in the US have been involved in some scary s@#t too, but usually do something stupid to get caught if they try to do it while they are still in the service.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
"RaHoWa" definitely has its advocates. :(
And now they are getting experience on the streets of Baghdad to take back and use against their fellow countrymen and women. Sadly, most of the really bad extremists and gang members in the military act like model Soldiers and quietly do their dirty work without calling any attention to who or what they really are. |
Originally Posted by etch5895
And sadly, the extremist groups use the military for supply, training, recruitment, security clearances, etc.
And now they are getting experience on the streets of Baghdad to take back and use against their fellow countrymen and women. Sadly, most of the really bad extremists and gang members in the military act like model Soldiers and quietly do their dirty work without calling any attention to who or what they really are. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
On the home-front, amongst my more serious concerns with the Iraq war -- from before the war -- would be that racism would find growing quarter in the US upon return of a minority of troops damaged further by bad circumstances that inculcated the idea that "the enemy looks like that". This time, it'll be even uglier than what people of East Asian descent dealt with after the conflicts in (and around) Vietnam.
I'd like to say that we can see past that more now, with smarter troops, but this is certainly not always the case. Even now, the term 'Hadji' is almost exclusively used to describe any person of Arab or SW Asian descent, even though to a Muslim, Hadji would be considered a term of great respect. Similar to how 'gook' indicated foreigner in Vietnamese. Funny how we referred to the local nationals as 'foreigners'. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
At least 20+ people have just been killed in India by terrorists, not too far from Bombay. 40+ more are wounded some seriously. It is believed that the deat toll will be at least 25. (The targets were muslims.) How much media attention would this grab in the US? Less attention than a good number of terrorism-related arrests in the US that had zero actual persons killed or wounded.
One of the great things about FT is the international perspective and stories being covered on FT that would otherwise not make most news-reading radars here in the US. |
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