Problem with TSA this morning at FLL
 

Hi all,

I have complaints with TSA that mean he telling me that I have take shoes off before go through the metal detector. When we are flying out from FLL this morning and I have been nothing wrong it my shoes and I am never get anything problems my shoes about couple years ago with Richard Reid as shoe bombers during on AA flight from CDG-MIA from 5 years ago. I have been allowed to do leave my shoes on for get through the checkpoint and I don't need put onto the x-ray machine. Does reason TSA is telling me about dare of challenge the shoes. I am only one that I am being allowed beyond checkpoint leave my shoes on while I was work at PHX. It is right thing to do for leave my shoes on for beyond the metal detector. Do tell TSA leave the shoes on all the times. They must to forget about Richard Reid as shoe bombers couple years ago. Can you please explain me what is going on about TSA is doing. Thanks!

Regards

Do you mean that you were told to remove your shoes at the checkpoint and you did not want to?

Yeah, that exactly he told me do take my shoes off. Because I didn't have anything problems my shoes at all.

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That lying little sack of crap, Comrade Hawley, issued a proclaimation that all shoes have to come off before the WTMD. This idiot's proclaimation comes despite the fact that the x-ray does not detect explosives.

I highly encourage you to file a complaint about Comrade Hawley's disgusting little shoe perversion to the TSA hotline, to your ailines and to your elected representatives.

Comrade Hawley ought to be caned and fired. He is an un-American disgrace.

For the same reason that you told someone in this thread that you can't take toothpaste past the security checkpoint:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...74#post6333474

Because it's prohibited to keep your shoes on "due to security measures."

What reason why I can keep my shoes on? Actually I had nothing wrong with the shoes and TSA/DHS must to forget in the past about what happened to Richard Reid couple years ago. Do think TSA will rethink do change the security measures?

"TSA", "rethink", and "security" in the same sentence?!? :D :D :D That is funny! Tell another good joke!

Actually TSA and Security and the same sentence is an Oxymoron itself!

SDF_Traveller

What? I thought TSA/DHS will ever forget about what happened the shoe bombers during the flight from CDG-MIA couple years ago. It is funny enough about TSA will let passengers leave the shoes on all the times and there is nothing best we can do it with take shoes off put onto the x-ray machine. I told him that I am being allowed to leave my shoes on and I had been nothing wrong it with those shoes. it won't get problems last time about AA flight from CDG-MIA were diverted to BOS. Actually TSA is wrong from couple years ago. Does security reason is doing at the airports. When I am taking shoes off before go through metal detector and there is no major problems. Also, I can't imagine do that for me couple years ago.

1. A human being is, by definition, not a "little sack of crap".

2. While I do not agree with the need to remove all shoes, someone who does feel so is not necessarily a Communist and therefore there is no need to call him "Comrade".

3. "Disgusting little shoe perversion" makes an absolutely ridiculous allegation to the man's sexual proclivities.

Many posters come onto this forum giving well-thought out, reasoned, arguments against the TSA's policies and procedures. Over-stated rants like this one only serve to detract attention from the more logical posts and tend to stain everyone who does not agree with the TSA with the same, unfortunate, brush.

You've presented no evidence that this lying sack of crap (Chertoff) is indeed a human being. In my book, issuance of orders to (among other things):

a) confiscate medicine belonging to sick children (chronicled by Bart shortly after 8/10 on this forum);

b) confiscate water and chapstick from children (experienced by my nine year olds); and

c) then to utter words attempting to tie these inhumane rules to our collective safety and security

is very convincing evidence of the absence of a human soul. YMMV.

Quick question: Did El Al ban all liquids, gels, etc on all of its airplanes on Aug 10 or had it banned all liquids prior to that?


N830MH: You now have to remove your shoes. No ifs, ands or buts.

You used to be able to keep your shoes on before August 10, 2006. But that day, Chertoff and Hawley enacted new rules that basically say:

Everyone must now remove shoes no matter what.

By the way - Richard Reid tried his comical stunt at unsuccessful shoe bombing over four and a half years ago, not just a couple years back. While the TSA will probably claim with a straight face that its examination of shoes has saved countless lives and airplanes from shoe bombs - the reality is that there are very few shoe bombers, shoe removal or not.

El Al has not banned liquids, etc, but its website does say that they are prohibitted on flights "to the following destinations: England, USA, France, Poland, Rome, Frankfurt and Mumbai!"

It makes it clear that this is not its own decision but it is "Following instructions from the aviation security authorities around the world".

Again, there are plenty of valid, coherent, arguments to be made against this ban but unfortunately they are being lost in an avalanche of ridiculous hyperbole.

(Emphasis added.)

Yes, I know exactly what you mean:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/wo...&ex=1157774400

Can actions qualify as hyperbole?

If so, then the act of requiring shoe removal, and confiscation of chap-stick and bottled water are the hyperbole that drown out whatever sense there may be in so called security measures.

Subject people to enough cognitive dissonance and double bind and, sure enough, madness does result. In other words, our policies drive reasonable people crazy.

I don't think anyone who has posted in this thread is "crazy" but I do feel that there are some unreasonable posts.

The problem with that, of course, is once you start ranting and raving you become a joke -- and no serious person listens to what you are saying.

There are a great number of arguments that can be made against the TSA policies. I can't even begin to count the number of times that I have said that Security should spend more effort looking for terrorists and less looking for weapons.

Quite honestly, I would be less worried about a WWII veteran carrying his souvenir Samurai sword onto a plane than I would about someone who just completed an Al Qaeda training course coming on with a newspaper.

Reasoned arguments, however, get ignored and anyone making them is lumped in together with the ranters who are arguing "on his side".