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Marq Aug 25, 2006 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff

Comrade Kip Hawley:

"We did not get any false positives for explosives in IAH, so we rescreened all the bags in EWR. Sooner or later, the layers of the system work."

Is this quote "made up" or is it a real quote? If real, do you have a link?

thanks,
Marc

FourWheels Aug 25, 2006 2:08 pm

I heard a little bit ago, again from MSNBC, the person held for questioning claimed he purchased some "artifacts" to bring home.

Spiff Aug 25, 2006 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by Marq
Is this quote "made up" or is it a real quote? If real, do you have a link?

thanks,
Marc

I made it up.

It's vintage Hawley, though. ;)

kaukau Aug 25, 2006 2:19 pm

Yogi Berra could'nt have not said it less unclearly!

PhlyingRPh Aug 25, 2006 2:22 pm

Sounds like Wile-e-Coyote trying to get the Roadrunner to me. :D

Marq Aug 25, 2006 2:23 pm

FT loses a lot of credibility if we use "quote" marks around text that is not a quote. Or, is it just such a bad situation that any sarcastic remark could have been actually said?

Marc

LessO2 Aug 25, 2006 2:28 pm

Let me get this straight.

Flight comes in from Argentina, passengers deplane, guy has residue on his bag or himself, bag and person detained in Houston, flight takes off for Newark, lands at Newark, and THEN they decided to do the "precautionary" stuff?

Seriously, is that the way it is?

Spiff Aug 25, 2006 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by Marq
FT loses a lot of credibility if we use "quote" marks around text that is not a quote. Or, is it just such a bad situation that any sarcastic remark could have been actually said?

Marc

Per your suggestion, I have edited my post so that the quote is more obviously made up.

I will keep this in mind for future parody and lampooning of Comrades Hawley and Chertoff.

Made up quotes will likely be attributed to Comrades Pawley and Cherkoff.

Flaflyer Aug 25, 2006 2:41 pm

Intend to Do with Residue
 
No bomb, but another wasted excuse for a terminal dump. :D

"Federal authorities are investigating why the student, had the explosive residue and what he intended to do with it."

I see both TSA and the CNN reporters have totally lost their minds. ... do you intend to do with residue? Sell it on Ebay?

"Intend to Do with Residue" sounds like a good country song title or advertising jingle. ^

CO FF Aug 25, 2006 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
Sounds like Wile-e-Coyote trying to get the Roadrunner to me. :D

Please do not insult Wily Coyote by comparing him to the TSA administration. The RoadRunner was enjoyable, and always got where he was going, as opposed to people who deal with the TSA.

thezipper Aug 25, 2006 2:45 pm

MODS can you retitle to indicate "residue"... there was no actual dynamite

This is why I've told some of my colleagues who do work for the govm't at ammo storage facilities to have something with them that identifies where they've been... all it takes is a laptop bag with trace setting off an ETD and you aren't going anywhere for a while...

ALARISstl Aug 25, 2006 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
What can someone do with 'residue'? :confused:

I know what Comrades Hawley and Chertoff can do with all these diversions and where they can both go.

Comrade Lip Pawley, Spokeshole for the Terrorism Support Agency:

"We did not get any false positives for explosives in IAH, so we rescreened all the bags in EWR. Sooner or later, the layers of the system work."

He was using it as hair gel !

Global_Hi_Flyer Aug 25, 2006 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by rar indeed
I wonder how many diversions the airlines will stand before someone screams enough.

If they scream too loudly or publically, the FAA inspectors will be all over the fleet, and it'll probably end up costing more in regulatory nonsense. Sheeplines.

Loren Pechtel Aug 25, 2006 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2
Let me get this straight.

Flight comes in from Argentina, passengers deplane, guy has residue on his bag or himself, bag and person detained in Houston, flight takes off for Newark, lands at Newark, and THEN they decided to do the "precautionary" stuff?

Seriously, is that the way it is?

Sounds sensible.

They're making sure nothing stayed behind on the plane.

Weatherboy Aug 25, 2006 5:18 pm

Actual Bomb Found on Flight 52
 
CNN now reports that an actual bomb was indeed found on board the airplane:
In Buenos Aires, Marcelo Sain, head of Argentina's Airport Security Police, told local television that authorities found "a Coca-Cola bottle with mud, and inside it was a tube with ammonium nitrate, a little bit of dynamite and a detonator," according to Reuters.

In Houston, KTRK-13 quoted law enforcement sources as saying that the man had a blasting cap, a homemade fuse and a quarter-pound of ammonium nitrate, in addition to the dynamite.

Mark Mancuso, spokesman for the Houston Airport System, said he could not confirm the allegations but that "some additional items of contraband may have been found."
So to me, actual dynamite + ammonium nitrate + blasting cap = bomb ...and shame shame shame on the officials that allowed this bomb to travel into the CO system and shame shame shame on officials for not detaining the questionable passenger sooner.

In related news, isn't it absolutely amazing how many flights are being diverted or being brought down in an emergency landing due to security or terrorism issues? Today, 7 flights came down in the US --one of which was a CO flight from Corpus Christi to El Paso to Bakersfield in which the crew became concerned over a missing panel in the lavatory. I believe there was an equal number of emergency landings and diversions in US airspace yesterday.

With these "false alarms", it's interesting to see that dynamite actually makes its way onto a CO flight.


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