London bomb plot foiled + major carry-on restrictions
Aug 10, 2006, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by KathrynFlyingAway
The problem at times like these is that decision-makers will feel especially strong about their newly-made rules immediately after a major threat like this one. Decisions made in anger and fear will all seem to be worthwhile- but until reviews and questions and analysis no one knows if the feelings should be kept up.
Of course this is a truly horrifying crime that authorities uncovered. They deserve strong thanks, of course. Goes without saying.
But the horror of this plot doesn't mean that every idea authorities come up with over the next day is worth keeping. Unfortunately, officials have this way of not wanting to say "well, 75% of our first ideas are beneficial, but 25% aren't and we're dropping them quickly."
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Of course this is a truly horrifying crime that authorities uncovered. They deserve strong thanks, of course. Goes without saying.
But the horror of this plot doesn't mean that every idea authorities come up with over the next day is worth keeping. Unfortunately, officials have this way of not wanting to say "well, 75% of our first ideas are beneficial, but 25% aren't and we're dropping them quickly."
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Aug 10, 2006, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by redjr
As much as I hate to say it, and don't agree with the idea fundamentally, wouldn't a little racial profiling be in order here rather than re-painting broad security measures for the vast majority of travelers who hold no danger potential? Let's begin to specifically target those that seek to do us harm. The last time I looked I was not wearing a turbin or white robe!
Aug 10, 2006, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by redjr
As much as I hate to say it, and don't agree with the idea fundamentally, wouldn't a little racial profiling be in order here rather than re-painting broad security measures for the vast majority of travelers who hold no danger potential? Let's begin to specifically target those that seek to do us harm. The last time I looked I was not wearing a turbin or white robe!
Aug 10, 2006, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by dedehans
What about pets mthat travel under the seat in Sherpa Bags or regulation carryons....do they get heaved into the luggage pile ? Haven't seen any mention of this on this fast moving thread.
Aug 10, 2006, 8:22 am
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Well unless something new happens I am done with this thread for now...I need to be productive and I am sure people are sick of my opinions 
Good luck to everyone out there travelling the next week or so...Stay calm, keep a cool head, and remember a cold beer or smooth scotch on the rocks can solve all of our problems and turn the worst of situations in the best of times
Good luck everyone
Good luck to everyone out there travelling the next week or so...Stay calm, keep a cool head, and remember a cold beer or smooth scotch on the rocks can solve all of our problems and turn the worst of situations in the best of times
Good luck everyone
Aug 10, 2006, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by redjr
As much as I hate to say it, and don't agree with the idea fundamentally, wouldn't a little racial profiling be in order here rather than re-painting broad security measures for the vast majority of travelers who hold no danger potential? Let's begin to specifically target those that seek to do us harm. The last time I looked I was not wearing a turbin or white robe!...
I think things have gone beyond the stage where racial and/or garment-based profiling is going to do much good. I'd be more in favour of age profiling - after all who ever heard of a suicide bomber aged over 40?
Aug 10, 2006, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
Come on Dovster - stop being such a Frankie Factual.
Those pesky facts.
If bottles of water are banned from airplane cabins on 8/09/06, then there will never be another day in the future where allowing them will be "prudent."
Those pesky facts.
If bottles of water are banned from airplane cabins on 8/09/06, then there will never be another day in the future where allowing them will be "prudent."
And, BTW I feel so much safer...redjr...
Aug 10, 2006, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by studentff
The idiots who came up with these knee-jerk policies should be purged from the relevant agencies. Cleaning them out might improve operations overall.
Unfortunately idiots are the ones that typically make it to the top of this type of agency, both sides of the pond. Think of the idiocy of this! What is the point of having security screeners? Are they going to start requesting us to go through naked? Why do we spend all this tax money on these security agencies so they can come up with these insane, idiotic, ridiculous, stupid asinine regulations? I can't take bottled water purchased AFTER security on my flight????!!!! Next thing you know they will be asking you to pee in the "airsickness bags" because it is a security threat to use the lav.
If I were at LHR today and they asked me to check my laptop, I would refuse and they would be giving me directions to the local FedEX/UPS/DHL office. There is no way I would check my laptop on ANY airline.
Do they seriously expect that everyone who is traveling on business is just going to say "Ok Mr. United, I would love to check my laptop so you can loose it and cause me to miss my important presentation in the UK."??? Where are the airline CEO's of this world standing up to the TSA decrying this type of idiocy?
/Rant off
Aug 10, 2006, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by redjr
Come on FWAAA. You know it's all a big conspiracy by the government and the airports are willing participants. We can take water on once airside, but we'll have to BUY it at the airport. Bottled water can't get more expensive than at the airport! What about Visine or other eye solutions. I use those on every flight. Now Visine will cost about $16 an ounce at the airport. Whose making the money? The airport. And, BTW I feel so much safer...
redjr...
And, BTW I feel so much safer...redjr...
Aug 10, 2006, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by ORDflyr
/ Next thing you know they will be asking you to pee in the "airsickness bags" because it is a security threat to use the lav.
Aug 10, 2006, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by redjr
Come on FWAAA. You know it's all a big conspiracy by the government and the airports are willing participants. We can take water on once airside, but we'll have to BUY it at the airport.
Erm...no. I think not!
Aug 10, 2006, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Trying to figure out a good reason why international flights departing from the US would have different "standards" than for flights departing from within the US that also are to land in the US is probably not a useful exercise.
Aug 10, 2006, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by Yaatri
Not sure what it emans but I heard the red alert is for international flights taking off from the U.S., not for domestic flights.
Given the list of prohibited items, I'm thinking that some security lackey picked up a Procter & Gamble quarterly report and misinterpreted plans for "increased Asian presence" to mean a dastardly plot to take over the world. Down with foreign market penetration!
Aug 10, 2006, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by MarkXS
Well I guess I'm not bringing my laptop when I travel to EDI for the Fringe next week. But absolutely nothing in pockets, and contact lens cases without solution? sunglasses and eyeglasses without cases? Probably not bringing my digital camera now either - like I really trust checked baggage for things like that.
Just look at how absurd these restrictions are. Nobody's going to blow up an airplane with a bottle of Visine eyedrops for rewetting contacts (which I'd consider medically necessary on a long flight in thin dry cabin air). It doesn't even seem like you can bring a paperback book for reading material. And I've got to check my car keys and hope they don't lose my checked bag? I've got a VW - the key is an integral part of the electronic fob, and I don't have a separate valet key (bought it used, no valet key).
from http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_612280.hcsp
Just look at how absurd these restrictions are. Nobody's going to blow up an airplane with a bottle of Visine eyedrops for rewetting contacts (which I'd consider medically necessary on a long flight in thin dry cabin air). It doesn't even seem like you can bring a paperback book for reading material. And I've got to check my car keys and hope they don't lose my checked bag? I've got a VW - the key is an integral part of the electronic fob, and I don't have a separate valet key (bought it used, no valet key).
from http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_612280.hcsp
(As an aside, I seem to be getting less work done today than on 9/11, which is sad. In a sense, they have won.)
Last edited by stc; Aug 10, 2006 at 9:21 am
Aug 10, 2006, 8:50 am
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Missing the big picture
I believe we are all missing the most important issue which should be at the heart of all discussions and concerns today...How will this affect the drunk people trying to smuggle alcohol onto Southwest flights in nonalcoholic containers? Is no one thinking of these people? How soul less and heartless of all of you to not think of these poor people on this difficult and stressful day.