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SNA_Flyer Mar 27, 2006 9:51 pm

More undetectable weapons
 
More weapons that will easily make it past security:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002265.html

Spiff Mar 27, 2006 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by SNA_Flyer
More weapons that will easily make it past security:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002265.html

I didn't see any credible weapons for hijacking or destroying an airplane listed in this story, except for hinting at a ceramic gun that doesn't seem to exist.

ClueByFour Mar 27, 2006 10:08 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
I didn't see any credible weapons for hijacking or destroying an airplane listed in this story, except for hinting at a ceramic gun that doesn't seem to exist.

And that little tidbit has been floating around since Glock first imported the G17 and G19.

Bart Mar 27, 2006 10:20 pm

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FWAAA Mar 27, 2006 10:41 pm

I recently broke a very old piece of Corningware; you'd be surprised how sharp those shards can be. Yet most of the perimeter of each piece was still very "hand-friendly." Nice, rounded edges except for the slashing surface. ;)

From now on, when I fly, I'm gonna carryon a Corningware grab-it. Anyone tries to take over the airplane, I'll simply smash the dish and viola - I'm ready to do my part to defend the nation's freedom.

Newryman Mar 30, 2006 2:58 am

Of course on international flights you do not have to smuggle any weapons at all, you simply wait until you are on board then buy them and gain extra miles.

A broken glass bottle (AKA 1 ltr duty free) makes a very effective weapon and of course with a book of matches and and a soaked sock you have a viable ied. :rolleyes:

The idea that there can ever be 100% effective security is a myth and all the posturing in the world by the TSA and their insane methodolgy can do nothing to alter this.

whirledtraveler Mar 30, 2006 3:24 am


Originally Posted by Bart
Agreed. What this article does is nothing more than panickmongering. What 9/11 taught us is that you're going to have to do more than just cut someone with a sharp instrument to take over an airplane. The passengers will charge at you and, though you may succeed in slicing and cutting one or two, they will overtake you. Period. The math is simple.

Unfortunately, it is a matter of human behavior, not math.

jib71 Mar 30, 2006 3:31 am


Originally Posted by Newryman
Of course on international flights you do not have to smuggle any weapons at all, you simply wait until you are on board then buy them and gain extra miles.

Good to see that you are considering the mileage possibilities... What FF program would you recommend for an international terrorist? And which CC?

Newryman Mar 30, 2006 4:52 am


Originally Posted by jib71
Good to see that you are considering the mileage possibilities... What FF program would you recommend for an international terrorist? And which CC?

FF programme need to have no end date and a rollover to the afterlife facility, CC of course should be the one with the highest limit as you will never have to repay it so max to the full :p

seanthepilot Mar 30, 2006 5:40 am

Unfortunately, straight blade razors are still easily brought in.

A friend of mine recently tried bringing one in his toiletry bag. It made it through airports in all parts of the world including many in the US of A.

He decided to then bring 3 more. And with 4 straight blade razors in his carry-on, still went through undetected... over, and over, and over again.

I'd be afraid to try more restricted items, but have every confidence that you could get most weapons that you wanted to onboard (outside of the obvious metal ones they look for).

Bart Mar 31, 2006 8:20 am

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goaliemn Mar 31, 2006 9:09 am


Originally Posted by Bart
If you're talking about the old straight blade razors that you fit into a shaver, I truly don't see the harm even though they are on the prohibited items list.

I use an old-style razor that uses double edged blades and brought it and an extra blade through security before, no problems. Bart can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems some things are let through if they look like they "belong" in the bag. I sometimes bring my pipe with, and I have a pipe tool which does have a point on it. I've never had a problem bringing it with, but then again, pipe tools may be on the OK list, much like a cigar cutter. I've assumed thats why they let my safety razor and spare blade through.

CaveatEmpty Mar 31, 2006 2:44 pm

Seems easy enough: unlike your average 1.5" nail clipper, a folding barber razor doesn't have that pointy, dangerous, end...

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Spiff Mar 31, 2006 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by CaveatEmpty
Seems easy enough: unlike your average 1.5" nail clipper, a folding barber razor doesn't have that pointy, dangerous, end...

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You mean the pointy, dangerous end like the one on my broken wine bottle, broken glass, broken tray table, or fountain pen, to name a few?

None of these items, including a straight razor, is a credible weapon to hijack or destroy an aircraft. They should all be ignored.

redbeard911 Mar 31, 2006 4:34 pm

You could sharpen the edge of any CD and make a wicked weapon.


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