The FAM shooting could have been avoided

Old Dec 9, 05, 4:38 am
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The FAM shooting could have been avoided

So, an innocent person died. Could it have been avoided? Yes. Arm FAMs with Tasers.
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Old Dec 9, 05, 4:44 am
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So, the weapon of choice in neutralizing a future real bomber with his hand on a physical bomb trigger should be...

A non-lethal device that induces muscular convulsions.

Great.
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Old Dec 9, 05, 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
So, an innocent person died. Could it have been avoided? Yes. Arm FAMs with Tasers.
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Old Dec 9, 05, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
So, an innocent person died. Could it have been avoided? Yes. Arm FAMs with Tasers.
Irregardless of the stated goal of "promoting confidence" in the aviation industry, the primary mission of a FAM is to defeat an armed terrorist hijacking of a commercial airliner. A critical factor in accomplishing this mission is for them to remain covert (unnoticed) until it is necessary to deploy. Concealing a large firearm is hard enough. Now you want them to conceal a tazer gun? Have you seen the size of those things? It's a Tonka Truck in a holster.

Why don't we make them wear a duty belt with OC spray and a baton too?...yea, that's a great idea.
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I can see it now! A terrorist with a suicide vest is tased and the induced voltage from the taser sets off the bomb. That's akin to using gasoline to put out a fire.
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
So, an innocent person died.
Natural to feel that way; however, the threat was made and it had to be taken seriously. There may not be a 2nd chance to get it right. I don't agree with the term "innocent" here. The subject was not guilty of having a bomb, but is guilty of the threatening statement and further elevated by the erratic behavior.

Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Could it have been avoided? Yes.
It is always easier in hindsight to go back and figure out ways to avoid the outcome. Perhaps had this guy not flown on that day? Perhaps had he not been BP...the list goes on and on...

Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Arm FAMs with Tasers.
Not the way to go in my opinion. Other posts also are against this approach. I think going forward with this is as severe of a knee jerk reaction as it would be to simply ban all persons with mental illness from flying.

Neither one of those ideas will ever get off the ground nor fly (pun intended).
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Yes - it could have been avoided.

The guy should have taken his meds or not have gotten on the plane.

It was terribly irresponsible for his wife to talk him into getting on the plane - I'm sure she'll regret that for the rest of her life.
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Originally Posted by JHattery
So, the weapon of choice in neutralizing a future real bomber with his hand on a physical bomb trigger should be...

A non-lethal device that induces muscular convulsions.

Great.

and produces a power source
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Originally Posted by Braddelauter
and produces a power source
No energy in a bullet
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Originally Posted by cj001f
No energy in a bullet
...moving at 1400 fps? That's energy in it's purest form, just ask Mr. Alzibar. ...Sorry, I had to. My sense of humor is way bent.
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If a FAM's predominant responsibility is to prevent attacks by hijackers and commandeering of the plane, then non-lethal weapons are largely sufficient.

FAMs cannot do much of anything about most bombs -- at least vis-a-vis most all methods of detonation. (Exception maybe: just what we "witnessed", with perception of a "suicide bomber with manual, on-person detonation" device.)
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Originally Posted by cj001f
No energy in a bullet

Not electrical. Probably more likely to complete a circuit with a taser than bullet.
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Originally Posted by Braddelauter
Not electrical. Probably more likely to complete a circuit with a taser than bullet.
You know what a bullet is made of? conductive metal. *boom goes your theory*

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Originally Posted by Braddelauter
Not electrical. Probably more likely to complete a circuit with a taser than bullet.
Energy is not confined to what is popularly perceived as "the electrical".
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Energy is not confined to the electrical.
I don't disagree, my point is if the initiator is governed by the completion of an electrical circuit. The Bullet would be less likely to complete the circuit than a taser. A taser may be able to complete the circuit since it provides an electrical power supply.
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