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Originally Posted by FLYaway3x

Well, for LY this type of risk-analysis works beautifully. After all, not too many LY planes have been flown into 100-story buildings/hijacked/etc. In fact, after the LY hijacking in the '60s and the implementation of LY's security procedures, there have been no successful hijackings/bombings.

..... just a bunch of "successful" bombings all over Israel? :(

Deflected but not eliminated -- and at no low-cost either -- seems to be a possibility.

Is there a causal relationship between the use of racist profiling (and more) by "security forces" and a rise in anti-social behavior, including criminality such as terrorism? I would certainly not rule that out -- and especially not universally. Didn't Israel have a big jump in the number of Israeli civilians killed by non-state actors since racist/tribalist profiling of civilians by "security forces" became more prevalent?

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Originally Posted by FLYaway3x

You may have wanted to say that "this type of security is necessary for a state such as Israel, however it would not be feasible in the USA." On 9/11, LY's security system would have caught the individuals.

Maybe, but I would not be so confident that a transplanted LY security system applied to US flights would work as well as you seem to believe. FWIW or not worth, material supporters of terrorism (including a bomber) have gotten onto El Al flights out of BOM, into TLV and out of TLV -- to the consternation of India's Home Ministry -- without much of an issue. Not caught by the Indian "immigration" authorities, not by El Al, and not by Israeli authorities. Maybe they just didn't care. :( Or maybe they are not truly as good as many believe.

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Originally Posted by FLYaway3x

The only way it could be implemented though would be to profile passengers. Something I personally agree with, as 90 year-olds and 10 year-olds are not exactly the terrorist type. But the ACLU would have a field day if those who fit terrorist profiles were actually profiled. Personally I say **** PC. But then again, I don't fancy making it any easier for terrorists to strike.

... so you are in favor of racist profiling? I think another FTer making the point that this was window-dressing/marketing spin for the implementation of racist profiling -- inclusive of a pre-emptive laying of "defence" lines against claims of state-sponsored racism -- would be right on the mark on more than a few occassions.

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Originally Posted by FLYaway3x

They probably did... and in the future I would not "toy" with them (lest getting an op-up will be the least of your problems) :p

I am more than happy to "toy" with them -- especially if not in Israel already. ;) (I have no intention to rely upon the "kindness" of El Al staff for an op-up. :cool: )

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Originally Posted by eyecue

I hear alot on here about how the TSA should use the interview process for passengers and behavioral profiling for risk management. I have a question to proffer: Isnt this the ultimate form of discretion? There is a lot of talk about abuses of authority by TSA on this board. However it appears to me that using this method of risk management ultimately puts things up for grabs on the part of the screener making that decision. Retaliatory screening would still be an issue would it not?

You are absolutely right. For a domestic flight, with the number of passengers on domestic flights in this country, it is sheer stupidity to even consider behavioral profiling.

What sounds great on paper from El Al, which bears no resemblance to flights from BOS or any other American city whatsoever, is going to turn into a bunch of hurried questions like so:

Security [S]: Boarding pass! ID!
Traveler [T]: (does it)
S: You have a Minnesota Driver's License and are flying to MIA.
T: That is correct
S: Where were you working while in BOS?
T: Downtown
S: Where did you stay while you were here?
T: A hotel
S: (shoves boarding pass and ID back) Next!

It's just as useless as the old "did you pack your bags" questions but with this new-and-improved version of questioning, which will make the sheeple breathe a sigh of relief that we're "just like El Al now", yet do nothing but waste MORE time. Great idea. :rolleyes:

Anywho who thinks that there are 100,000+ people in this country with the same interviewing skills as the handful of people who do this for El Al is terribly mistaken.