Over here:
http://govtsecurity.securitysolution...ting/index.htm

http://govtsecurity.securitysolution...mble/index.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/30/air...ing/index.html

For a complete worldwide monthly list:
http://www.asi-mag.com/aw.htm

Maybe it's me, but I can't find anything that says the TSA prevented anything. I only see other links to TSA stories like this one.

Typical Government BS. Create hysteria = Job Security.

Unsubstantiated speculation.

Typical Government BS. Create hysteria = Job Security.

Nothing domestic in this list.

So, four poor examples later, we still have ZERO proof that the TSA has done anything but waste BILLIONS of dollars. Tom Daschle must be proud.

You're asking people to prove a negative, something that didn't happen. When I was a cop, I like to think that I prevented many crimes by being visible and proactive, and thus discouraging crooks from doing things that they might otherwise do if they thought there was a lesser chance of getting caught. But I'll never know how many of those incidents didn't take place because of my work. The same principle applies with the efforts of Homeland Security.

But, when your department thwarted a crime, it was front page news.

The TSA has no such news, only billions of wasted dollars.

Not so. That only happened if we actually caught someone. There is no telling how many crimes were never attempted because the perpetrators feared that the police would arrest them. Likewise, there is no telling how many would-be hijackers have changed their minds about going to Paradise because they feared getting caught on the way to the plane. I'm not up on my Koran, but I don't think you get the 72 virgins for all eternity if you get shanked at Marion.

There is no hard proof out there. The fact that there hasnt been one, is according to some people, enough proof. IF TSA was to catch someone going into the sterile area with a gun, you think that person would admit to having a plot to take over an aiplane? So all the people that have had MAJOR prohibited items taken away, were prosecuted for something other than terrorist acts or attempts thereof. Its like COPWRITER alluded to: A person is going to do a smash and grab at the local store after hours. The person sees a police car drive by and decides not to do it! No one but the person knows what the original intent was going to be.

I dont think there will be any "proof" of anything, unless something "bad" happens. Then the proof will be "someone" failed.

I think the arguments for and against will continue to go on as long as airplanes fly, and paying passengers get on airplanes via the airport and any form of security screening is in place.

I worked in aviation, in public safety and law enforcement prior to 9-11. The same arguments, the same "show me what has been stopped or prevented" questions were just as loud and continuous then. On 9-10-01 I was in a meeting when a higher level airline exec looked at us (airport authority, public safety, and the various government reps in the meeting) and said "wheres the threat?" and quickly cut us off saying "There is no threat".

He didnt know, and we didnt know what was going to happen the next day. With the exception of some investigators who were apparently on "to something" (the FBI agents who tried to get their bosses to listen to them that something was going on with flight training of possible militants-and even they didnt know the scope of what was going to happen).

No one knew what was going to happen. How can we say "nothing" will ever happen again? I don't think we can.

I too believe that the TSA for one needs to be overhauled. My opinion is they could have made the correct changes and increases without creating the new agency. But that does not diminish the job that the regular TSA workers do everyday. They do have more training, and seem to do a better job of basic screening than the private contracting firms previously. Shoe carnivals, and inconsistent policies can be laid at the feet of the bosses running the show.

I will add that every month I see a report that compiles and details what screeners across the country have come across. It is provided to us so we can get an idea whats going on in the airports we travel through. This report is internal, but the info would be public knowledge based upon arrests reports, ect. at the local level. Some I think would be surprised that the number of firearms and "real" knives found hidden with obvious thought and placement are substantial. Are these people terrorists or just criminally stupid? Who knows, glad they got caught though.