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GUWonder Jun 27, 2005 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by H2O_Goalie
And look...Mr. Logic is back. It's really too bad this isn't Debate Team GU, I'm sure you'd feel much more at home. Pardon us all for our lack of debating elegance. It's really too bad that the world doesn't function on a purely logical basis.

My insincere apologies for not being a pushover who lets ignorance and capricious acts based in emotion rule the day. I did not know that knowledge and logical forethought were so universally contemptible or unpopular.

GUWonder Jun 27, 2005 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by H2O_Goalie
I never...never...said that "most Muslims are dark-skinned". Sorry kid, but you can't put words in my mouth.

Are you implying that he put words in your mouth? If so, aren't you engaged in what you claim he did (but which he may very well not have done)?

I read his words as his words and not as yours. ;)

DMorris Jun 27, 2005 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
It's racist profiling since there is an explicit and intrinsic element in such profiling that says that different than the subject racial/ethnic population is superior.

There you go again, bringing race into the thread. Was it Irish Catholics, German Lutherans, or Anglo-Saxon Anglicans flying the planes into the WTC? Please remind me again. No............wait a minute...........it was 19 Mid-Eastern Islamic Jihadists Men.

GUWonder Jun 27, 2005 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by DMorris
There you go again, bringing race into the thread. Was it Irish Catholics, German Lutherans, or Anglo-Saxon Anglicans flying the planes into the WTC? Please remind me again. No............wait a minute...........it was 19 Mid-Eastern Islamic Jihadists Men.

It wasn't I who advocated racist profiling but that's just what it is. As OBL too is an advocate of racist and national origin profiling, so you too advocate profiling people based on "race"? If so, those "ideas" are akin and involve the dehumanization of people and the explicit and intrinsic application of concepts of racial superiority. As could be said with racism, putting lipstick on a pig does not change the nature of the pig.

Dovster Jun 28, 2005 12:16 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
As OBL too is an advocate of racist and national origin profiling, so you too advocate profiling people based on "race"?

No, OBL is not an advocate of profiling. Like you, he believes in equal opportunity.

He has murdered Blacks in Africa. He has murdered Orientals in Indonesia. He has murdered Whites in Spain.

His killings have taken place in America, Israel, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

He admits to hating Jews, Christians, and Buddhists but the majority of his victims have been Moslem.

When OBL wants to have a car bomb set off or a plane crash into a building, he doesn't give a whit about the race, religion, or national origin of the people who will die.

See? He is 100% Politically Correct.

PatrickHenry1775 Jun 28, 2005 12:33 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
No, OBL is not an advocate of profiling. Like you, he believes in equal opportunity.

He has murdered Blacks in Africa. He has murdered Orientals in Indonesia. He has murdered Whites in Spain.

His killings have taken place in America, Israel, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

He admits to hating Jews, Christians, and Buddhists but the majority of his victims have been Moslem.

When OBL wants to have a car bomb set off or a plane crash into a building, he doesn't give a whit about the race, religion, or national origin of the people who will die.

See? He is 100% Politically Correct.

100% politically correct, just like TSA. Except OBL is far more cost-efficient than is TSA.

GUWonder Jun 28, 2005 12:53 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
No, OBL is not an advocate of profiling. Like you, he believes in equal opportunity.

He has murdered Blacks in Africa. He has murdered Orientals in Indonesia. He has murdered Whites in Spain.

His killings have taken place in America, Israel, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

He admits to hating Jews, Christians, and Buddhists but the majority of his victims have been Moslem.

When OBL wants to have a car bomb set off or a plane crash into a building, he doesn't give a whit about the race, religion, or national origin of the people who will die.

See? He is 100% Politically Correct.

No, I don't see that. What I see is some amusing satire/sarcasm that mixes facts and misleading premises to arrive at an amusing fiction.

There's a reason OBL kept non-Arabs (including other muslims) at a distance and continues to do such in different ways. And there's a reason why OBL & Co. -- at least prior to the politically incorrect Iraq misadventure -- are estimated to have killed far more non-Arabs (yes mostly muslim non-Arabs) than anyone else. The reason being OBL is an advocate of ethnic/racist profiling and targetting people on the basis of ethnic/"racial" and religious characteristics -- at least until push comes to shove and then he's merely an opportunist who doesn't give a darn about political correctness and is actively 100% politically incorrect.

Dovster Jun 28, 2005 1:28 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
There's a reason OBL kept non-Arabs (including other muslims) at a distance and continues to do such in different ways.

You're right. There is. But it has nothing to do with racism -- as demonstrated above he is quite willing to kill anyone of any race.

The reason is that he feels that non-Arabs are less likely to be loyal to him. He is intelligent enough to realize that somebody from Philadelphia is more apt to kill him than somebody from Mecca. This carefulness has helped keep him alive.

Perhaps Americans, too, should be careful enough to keep alive.

GUWonder Jun 28, 2005 1:52 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
You're right. There is. But it has nothing to do with racism -- as demonstrated above he is quite willing to kill anyone of any race.

The reason is that he feels that non-Arabs are less likely to be loyal to him. He is intelligent enough to realize that somebody from Philadelphia is more apt to kill him than somebody from Mecca. This carefulness has helped keep him alive.

Perhaps Americans, too, should be careful enough to keep alive.

It has much to do with racism. And even if racism is what were to have kept him alive (and it's not), does that constitute a defence of racism?

Would you also claim that an Aryan Nation or KKK member -- having demonstrated quite a willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community" -- is not a racist just because they have demonstrated quite the willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community"? (I wouldn't claim such murderous acts are a valid demonstrable measure of non-racism.)

Dovster Jun 28, 2005 2:00 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
Would you also claim that an Aryan Nation or KKK member -- having demonstrated quite a willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community" -- is not a racist just because they have demonstrated quite the willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community"? (I wouldn't claim such murderous acts are a valid demonstrable measure of non-racism.)

The KKK member became one because of racism. OBL became what he is out of religious fanaticism. That does not make him racist.

GUWonder Jun 28, 2005 2:08 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
The KKK member became one because of racism. OBL became what he is out of religious fanaticism. That does not make him racist.

Perhaps or perhaps not.

The KKK member became one because of fanaticism. OBL became what he is out of fanaticism. That does not absolve either of being racists when the opportunity presents itself.

The following question asked of you remains unanswered:


Originally Posted by GUWonder
Would you also claim that an Aryan Nation or KKK member -- having demonstrated quite a willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community" -- is not a racist just because they have demonstrated quite the willingness to kill members of their own organization or ethnic "community"?


Knoppix Jun 28, 2005 5:00 pm

I'd be surprised if racist profliing's cost/benefit ratio over time played out as anything more than a net negative-sum game (especially by measure of lives and liberty lost).[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be surprised!! :rolleyes:


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