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Virgin Flight is diverted
Just heard on the news that a VS A340 flight with 271 passengers has been diverted to Halifax on the way from LHR to JFK. The news said that the pilot accidentally squawked a hi-jacking but it was a mistake. Fighters have been sent up to escort the flight to Halifax, despite the fact that the pilot indicated that he made a mistake.
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June 3, 2005
Virgin Flight Diverted Over Hijacking Signal By REUTERS Filed at 10:42 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Virgin Atlantic airplane flying from London to New York is being diverted to Canada under fighter escort after conflicting signals about a possible hijacking, a Homeland Security official said on Friday. The official said Virgin Flight 45 was diverted over the Atlantic Ocean after the airplane emitted a signal indicating a possible hijacking. The pilot has since indicated that the airplane was not being hijacked, the official said. |
Originally Posted by OrlandoFlyer
Just heard on the news that a VS A340 flight with 271 passengers has been diverted to Halifax on the way from LHR to JFK. The news said that the pilot accidentally squawked a hi-jacking but it was a mistake. Fighters have been sent up to escort the flight to Halifax, despite the fact that the pilot indicated that he made a mistake.
Have a great day all! :p |
Associated Press report on incident
AP coverage from the Washington Post website is at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060300539.html |
Originally Posted by hiltonhead
Standard procedure...hard to tell by voice if pilot is being held hostage. Transponder kept emitting hijack code after contact was made. Government just making sure and not taking chances on passengers lives. Great policy and I'm sure you would appreciate the extra effort if you were on the plane.
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Yep, this is far different than having a potential match against the no-fly list aboard. The pilot signalled a hijacking, even if by accident, and there's no way to tell if his later recanting of that signal was due to duress or not without getting the plane on the ground. Drat, and just when I was hoping we'd see yet another no-fly fiasco ;)
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Well handled
And I'm glad they didn't shoot it down... Imagine if this happend on a flight to DCA.
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Originally Posted by Cholula
I agree. Once the hijack button is pressed, the plane has to land, mistake or not.
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its easier than you think
Originally Posted by letiole
Actually, there are procedures in place with ATC for determining whether or not the alarms are real. They do happen sometimes and generally don't result in diversions. Someone said this plane continued to squawk 7500 - the hijack code - so that's likely what led to the decision to force it to land. ATC likely asked the pilots to confirm, they negated, but continued to squawk 7500, leaving ATC to believe they were possibly being hijacked.
Say you're squawking 1200. You are assigned 4649. You turn the first two dials through to 4 and 6 but pass 7 and 5 on the way around. If the transponder is polled by the radar at the exact wrong moment, you will send 7500. Alarms go off at ATC facilities, all kinds of nonsense breaks loose. THe controller, if he is in contact with you, will ask you one question and one question only, and it is words very close to "Did you really mean to squawk 7500" or simply "Confirm squawk 7500". If you say "yes" then you get pretty much whatever you want in the way of clearances, but you had darn well better have an unwelcome visitor in the cockpit when you land and you will most likely have Major Dwight Smiley on your wing the rest of the way down. If you say NO and indicate some malfunction you will probably still be escorted in these heady days of overblown security, but it's probably better that way. As a plot, I just set the last two numbers first. --Paul |
What's easier than I think?
Originally Posted by VideoPaul
You turn the first two dials through to 4 and 6 but pass 7 and 5 on the way around. If the transponder is polled by the radar at the exact wrong moment, you will send 7500.
Alarms go off at ATC facilities, all kinds of nonsense breaks loose. A bit of a problem is that everyone in the world can easily know the emergency squawk codes and the procedures for negating them. It's tough to keep it much of a secret when there are tens of thousands of pilots using the same system worldwide. Most ATC facilities are making tours available again. If you're interested in learning more about ATC, you might want to contact Chicago Center about a tour. |
Would be interesting to get the story first hand then
Originally Posted by letiole
No, that's not the case. There are no alarms. Controller asks pilot to "Confirm squawk 7500." If there is silence, confirmation or if it's NORDO, well it's going to be assumed a hijacking is in progress.
Originally Posted by letiloe
Most ATC facilities are making tours available again. If you're interested in learning more about ATC, you might want to contact Chicago Center about a tour.
I do beleive that there are ways that a licensed pilot can get a walkthrough and I really should do that. If I can arrange that I'll report back on what the story is as it is presented to me. I never drove by right after 9-11, but I rememebr that in the first few days that O'Hare had city snowplows blocking every point of access to the airport. I'd love to know what ZAU looked like. --Paul |
VideoPaul: YHM.
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Originally Posted by VideoPaul
As a plot, I just set the last two numbers first.
--Paul Hmmm. Never thought of that, good suggestion. I was taught a different method-- switch the transponder to standby first, then set the code. Same result, no chance of inadvertent 7700, 7600, 7500, etc. And I would strongly recommend a tour of ATC facilities. I've visited Washington Center in Leesburg, VA (ZDC). Got about a 1-hour grand tour, including spending about 20 minutes sitting at a console with a sector controller with headphones patched into his communications. Very interesting indeed! Security-wise, (this was pre-9/11, April 2000), the facility was rather non-descript, but surrounded by fences and signs that it was a restricted area and that tresspassing, disruption, etc. could lead to loss of life (referring, I assume, to airplane passengers, not to the tresspassers). No obvious sign of guards, etc. |
I saw an update on this situation today and was struck by the phrase which I bolded:
The perception of threat by Canadian authorities was relatively short-lived, Taplin said. The aircraft was intercepted at 1010 local -- approximately two hours before it landed in Halifax. The Airbus was cleared by means of a secret communication between the intercepting Canadian warplanes and the inbound passenger flight. When asked how the intercepting CF-18 pilots knew the pilot aboard the A340 was all right, one Virgin official told ABC News, "We have ways of knowing he is OK, which we cannot let you know." Once on the ground, the aircraft was boarded by black-clad members of a local emergency response team to ensure there really was no trouble aboard the flight. They interviewed both crew members and passengers. Haven't we seen similar statements in some of the threads around here?? ;) |
Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart
...and that tresspassing, disruption, etc. could lead to loss of life (referring, I assume, to airplane passengers, not to the tresspassers). No obvious sign of guards, etc.
No, they were referring to the trespassers possibly being shot. ATC centers have all had armed guards at least since the early '80s, and probably long before. |
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