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Originally Posted by eyecue
Anyone think that this shows a different side to things?
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Two hours later, a screener at DIA noticed a man trying to get on a plane with a large amount of cash in his carry on bag. Detectives were tipped off, Jefferson County confirmed the robbery, and the man and an accomplice were arrested at the airport as they tried to board a one-way plane ride to California.
If the screeners involved had no information about any crime being committed or other suspicious behavior but just assumed that anyone carrying lots of cash should be turned over to the police, then
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Originally Posted by studentff
From the story:
If the screeners involved had heard some sort of law-enforcement bulletin about the robbery and linked that information to suspicious behavior by a suspicious pax with lots of cash, then ^. That's good observation skills.
If the screeners involved had no information about any crime being committed or other suspicious behavior but just assumed that anyone carrying lots of cash should be turned over to the police, then
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If the screeners involved had heard some sort of law-enforcement bulletin about the robbery and linked that information to suspicious behavior by a suspicious pax with lots of cash, then ^. That's good observation skills.
If the screeners involved had no information about any crime being committed or other suspicious behavior but just assumed that anyone carrying lots of cash should be turned over to the police, then
But this will just increase the volume for idiotic SSSScreenings on one-way tickets. Today I'm flying from PDX and my first leg is on Horizon. Guess what? The predictable, idiotic SSSS. When I shook my head at the counter, the agent picked up on it and cheerfully explained WHY I got the SSSSpecial treatment.
I must be a bank robber.
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I get what studentff is saying about responding to a bulletin, but I'm not sure that even that would make me support the TSA searching people for stuff not related to security. They're not law enforcement officers like the police and the FBI, and shouldn't be conducting those kinds of searches.
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Originally Posted by Doppy
I get what studentff is saying about responding to a bulletin, but I'm not sure that even that would make me support the TSA searching people for stuff not related to security. They're not law enforcement officers like the police and the FBI, and shouldn't be conducting those kinds of searches.
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A good result yielded from a bad process does not mean we should praise the process. The role of the TSA screener must be focused only on preventing the introduction of restricted items onto aircraft or sterile areas of the airport. Period. It should not be widened to include searches for drugs, cash, illegal aliens, wanted felons, etc...we do not want out airports turned into virtual borders.
It's great to catch bank robbers - but it's not acceptable to me to give up any freedoms, privacy or accept government monitoring in order to make it easier to catch bank robbers. That's really how our Founding Fathers designed our society to work - sometimes it has to be accepted that some bank robbers (or murders, rapists, etc.) will get away with their crime because it's more important to protect the integrity of our system and the freedoms of our way of life than use any means necessary to catch every criminal.
If the screener heard a public police bulletin and recognized the wanted person and reported them as a private citizen, I agree there is nothing wrong with that - it's just good citizenship. As stated in another post, if the screener had no knowledge of the crime and purposely examined the person and their baggage for non-security related suspicious items because they wanted to 'play cop' or claim some reward and just got lucky, that is out of their scope and that behavior must be stopped.
It's great to catch bank robbers - but it's not acceptable to me to give up any freedoms, privacy or accept government monitoring in order to make it easier to catch bank robbers. That's really how our Founding Fathers designed our society to work - sometimes it has to be accepted that some bank robbers (or murders, rapists, etc.) will get away with their crime because it's more important to protect the integrity of our system and the freedoms of our way of life than use any means necessary to catch every criminal.
If the screener heard a public police bulletin and recognized the wanted person and reported them as a private citizen, I agree there is nothing wrong with that - it's just good citizenship. As stated in another post, if the screener had no knowledge of the crime and purposely examined the person and their baggage for non-security related suspicious items because they wanted to 'play cop' or claim some reward and just got lucky, that is out of their scope and that behavior must be stopped.
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Originally Posted by RichMSN
Doesn't sound like a direct security risk to me.
But this will just increase the volume for idiotic SSSScreenings on one-way tickets. Today I'm flying from PDX and my first leg is on Horizon. Guess what? The predictable, idiotic SSSS. When I shook my head at the counter, the agent picked up on it and cheerfully explained WHY I got the SSSSpecial treatment.
I must be a bank robber.
But this will just increase the volume for idiotic SSSScreenings on one-way tickets. Today I'm flying from PDX and my first leg is on Horizon. Guess what? The predictable, idiotic SSSS. When I shook my head at the counter, the agent picked up on it and cheerfully explained WHY I got the SSSSpecial treatment.
I must be a bank robber.
"Most professional secondary I've ever had. Female screener helping wanted to run my shoes or swab them and the male screener said "they don't meet the profile and the machine didn't beep."
I don't understand the "Elite" security line, though. I'm GOLD on NW, which means I can get in the NW side of the terminal quicker. But since I'm flying on a Horizon flight (bought through NW with a NW codeshare) and have to go to terminal A/B/C I CAN'T use the elite security line. The line was only 5-7 minutes long, but I was told that it was up to 32 minutes at some point today. It's spring break, and I have no idea if that number was actually true."
TSA doesn't control the elite line, so I don't have much to say there.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
A good result yielded from a bad process does not mean we should praise the process. The role of the TSA screener must be focused only on preventing the introduction of restricted items onto aircraft or sterile areas of the airport. Period. It should not be widened to include searches for drugs, cash, illegal aliens, wanted felons, etc...we do not want out airports turned into virtual borders.
It's great to catch bank robbers - but it's not acceptable to me to give up any freedoms, privacy or accept government monitoring in order to make it easier to catch bank robbers.
It's great to catch bank robbers - but it's not acceptable to me to give up any freedoms, privacy or accept government monitoring in order to make it easier to catch bank robbers.
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According to the Rocky Mountain News story, it looks like the cash was the only reason to question/detain further.
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Throughout this forum I read comments that we should spend less time looking at shoes and doing secondaries and instead talk to the passengers to see if there is anything out of order (ala El Al).
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
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Originally Posted by channa
According to the Rocky Mountain News story, it looks like the cash was the only reason to question/detain further. 
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Originally Posted by ORF2SXM
Throughout this forum I read comments that we should spend less time looking at shoes and doing secondaries and instead talk to the passengers to see if there is anything out of order (ala El Al).
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
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Saw this in the RMN article:
So, I guess we can assume the guy was SSSSd because of the one-way ticket, which is probably why the vigilant screener found the cash.
I've got mixed feelings, too. If the airport police had a tip-off that the bad guys were heading to the airport and got the word out with some sort of physical description, etc, OK: Using the TSA to help catch the bad guys is OK.
But, if the didn't know a thing and went what many of us believe is out of bounds for an airport "prohibited items" search, no, this wasn't OK.
From what the article described, this bad guy didn't appear to be the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, either.
Heck, airport security has been used for decades as convenient chokepoints to catch bad guys. But, it has been the result of good police work. If we've got zealots at checkpoints looking for cash, pot, porn, bootleg CDs, and anything else they deem criminal -- and there's enough evidence on FT to suggest that -- I wonder how many times they have BLOWN cases where the cops were tailing a guy wanting to get to the Big Cheese?
One of the suspects, a man who apparently had a one-way ticket to California, was pulled aside by a Transportation Security Administration agent for secondary screening at DIA in the south area of the terminal at about 11 a.m. Tuesday.
I've got mixed feelings, too. If the airport police had a tip-off that the bad guys were heading to the airport and got the word out with some sort of physical description, etc, OK: Using the TSA to help catch the bad guys is OK.
But, if the didn't know a thing and went what many of us believe is out of bounds for an airport "prohibited items" search, no, this wasn't OK.
From what the article described, this bad guy didn't appear to be the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, either.
Heck, airport security has been used for decades as convenient chokepoints to catch bad guys. But, it has been the result of good police work. If we've got zealots at checkpoints looking for cash, pot, porn, bootleg CDs, and anything else they deem criminal -- and there's enough evidence on FT to suggest that -- I wonder how many times they have BLOWN cases where the cops were tailing a guy wanting to get to the Big Cheese?
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Originally Posted by ORF2SXM
Throughout this forum I read comments that we should spend less time looking at shoes and doing secondaries and instead talk to the passengers to see if there is anything out of order (ala El Al).
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
Then when the screeners do it, they are critized for going over the limit.
OK then - which is it? Should they search stuff or should they look at behaviors?
Just Curious
Another school of thought would like security to do more behavioral profiling of passengers, ask questions to determine character/intention, etc. rather than focusing exclusively on baggage. They would argue that bad people are the theat, not the bad items. For example, a law-abiding pax with a giant knife is no threat to the aircraft if he doesn't plan to commit a crime.
Both have a good point. But there's probably not a whole lot of overlap between these two schools except that both have complaints about how things are done now.
As an aside, in spite of occasional complaints about impractical posters calling for the end of all screening, there really doesn't seem to be much of a "no screening whatsoever" school here.




