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cruzer Jan 30, 05 8:15 pm

What kind of person is on the domestic No Fly List?
 
Maybe this has been answered here before, but if so, it's not apparent from the headers a search brings up.

From what I gather, "terror suspects" are the purpose of the list. OK, that makes sense, but shouldn't they be on the arrest immediately list? If they are indeed a suspect, shouldn't they be brought in for questioning/arrest instead of being turned away at the check-in counter. And, if they are merely suspicious, without a "criminal" background, well, this is America after all.

I imagine some of the people on the list are there for things like attacking a member of the flight crew or repeated smoking in the lavs, but I'm having a tough time coming up with a characterization of someone on the list. People like this should be blacklisted, but I wouldn't refer to them as terror suspects.

I'm sure I've missed something here and maybe someone can enlighten me.

channa Jan 30, 05 8:41 pm

Suspicious behavior:

- using scissors
- carrying a lighter
- owning shoes or other footwear
- wearing bulky clothing

...this is America after all.

iuprecise Jan 30, 05 8:47 pm

Who?
 
Anyone.

Ted Kennedy was on the list, anyone that has a name can be on the list.
I was mistakenly thought to be on the list.
Apparently someone else with my same name was there.
Luckily I was allowedto travel
It's ridiculous!

GeneralAviation Jan 30, 05 10:42 pm

If you have a common first and last name, the odds of you being
on the "No Fly" S**t list are greatly increased.

Anyone with the name Jack Baldwin or David Nelson, for
starters. Who knows why. Remember the late 1950's /
early 1960's TV stars, "Ozzie and Harriet?" Their son,
David Nelson, used to get stopped all the time because he
shares the same name with another David Nelson who supposedly
did something wrong :rolleyes: Whether or not he still
gets hassled, I don't know.

That's the government for ya.....just when I think they
can't be any more screwed up and incompetent, they rise up
to the occassion and prove me wrong.

cj001f Jan 31, 05 4:49 am


Originally Posted by GeneralAviation
If you have a common first and last name, the odds of you being
on the "No Fly" S**t list are greatly increased.

I used to work with a "Tim Brown" who was on that wonderful list. Still gets hassled each time he flies. Genius at work.

Doppy Jan 31, 05 10:06 am

There was a thread a year or two ago where the government basically confirmed that there was a no fly list for political dissenters (peaceful ones) that the government didn't like.

dwsnc Feb 1, 05 3:55 am

I am on the list with a last name of Smith...........from what i have found out, you will NEVER know the reason why your name was put on the list and NEVER know what agency requested that your name be put on the list.

I am currently trying to get my name off the list :mad:

dwsnc Feb 3, 05 4:36 am


Originally Posted by dwsnc
I am on the list with a last name of Smith...........from what i have found out, you will NEVER know the reason why your name was put on the list and NEVER know what agency requested that your name be put on the list.

I am currently trying to get my name off the list :mad:


Well - here's an update in the "trying to get my name off the list" saga. After 3 calls to the TSA omsbudman, they faxed me an "application" to get my name off the list. Standard questionaire, name, address, height, weight, home/work phone etc. They also require a copy of at least 3 of the items mentioned below, notarized; passport, drivers license, visa, birth certificate, voter registration, military ID, or other Federally issued ID. On the cover letter they indicated that after their investigation, which would take 45 days, I could be removed or not. I and the airlines would be notified in writing of their decision. We'll see, but I've never been able to know of my accuser :mad:

SDF_Traveler Feb 3, 05 4:55 am

Dept of Education
 
Anyone who doesn't pay their student loan in a timely manner. As the saying goes, if you want to find someone, put the student loan folks after em. :D :D

[On a realistic note, I understand some countries will check the status of such loans upon return (i.e. immigrations), and they make people sign a promise to re-pay]....

Otherwise, it's typically if you forgot to mark your ballot correctly in a blue state...

:D <sarcasm>

SDF_Traveler

Miggles Feb 7, 05 2:19 am

Supposedly everyone who flew in June 2004 is potentially on the latest list. Being on the list is no longer an isolated occurence to the point where TSA has to acutally mention this in a link on their web site. Being on the list is becoming standard operating procedure.

My guess is that the ultra sophisticated Secure Flight Program is nothing more than a single Unix command:


% grep '.' PNR_June2004.txt > watchList.txt

Mats Feb 7, 05 6:54 am

I think it would be a lot easier if we put everyone on the "no-fly" list. Then we can let each individual prove himself or herself to be innocent.

The problem, of course, is with thoughtcrime. We are--after all--still at war wtih Oceania. I saw it on the Telescreen this morning.

peachfront Feb 7, 05 3:12 pm

i flew plenty in june 2004
 
And I am not on the list based on my most recent travel. So I don't think they are "no flying" everyone who flew last June.

Traveller Feb 7, 05 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by Miggles
Supposedly everyone who flew in June 2004 is potentially on the latest list.

Why would you say this?

I flew at least 3 weeks in June 2004 (and at least 25 weeks since then) and am not on the no fly list as far as I know.

Peetah Feb 7, 05 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by Miggles
My guess is that the ultra sophisticated Secure Flight Program is nothing more than a single Unix command:


% grep '.' PNR_June2004.txt > watchList.txt

I think you meant


egrep [:alpha:] PNR_June2004.txt > watchlist.txt


;)


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