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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by bdschobel
OK, let me ask you: Why didn't either of these women just say, "I'm outta here," and leave? The TSA is not the Bureau of Corrections. They don't hold people prisoner and search them against their will.

I'm skeptical too, just in general, but let me remind you that several TSA and LEO-type posters have indicated here that once you approach the WTMD, you can NOT just withdraw your consent to screening and leave if they decide to make you a selectee, search your bag, pat you down, etc. The usual example is that if you realize the patdown/bag-search will find a gun, you can't just walk away scott free.

So under that logic, if they decided to strip/probe you, you couldn't back out.

I still strongly doubt there is any official TSA policy about doing cavity searches and suspect that if it is happening, it is limited to a few overzealous checkpoints. I also suspect that if it is happening, it will make the news very very soon, probably prior to Christmas.

I hope the perpetrators of any such policy go to jail, and the victims of any such policy get every penny of the personal $ and property of any screener/supervisor that "made up" any such unofficial policy.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by calikak
but I will say that the girlfriend who was searched has had some past experiences that may have affected her ability to think rationally in this situation.
Or exaggerate perhaps ? What I/we consider to be a body cavity search may not in fact be what took place. I certainly do not disbelieve that rogue TSA screeners could do such a thing, but until something more tangible than hearsay is presented, I'll reserve judgment.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
I certainly do not disbelieve that rogue TSA screeners could do such a thing, but until something more tangible than hearsay is presented, I'll reserve judgment.
I think that is an eminently reasonable point of view. One of the reasons I posted this story, depsite it being hearsay, was that I was hoping others might be able to shed some light on this subject. From a purely selfish standpoint, I would like to be reassured that this is a very out-of-the-ordinary experience and that I have no reason to expect to be searched in this manner when I try to board an airplane. So, if nobody else posts a similar story, I would chalk it up to a very bad TSA agent, and not be worried the next time I fly. Conversely, if lots of other people post that they have been subjected to body cavity searches, then I think we should all be worried.

I don't think either of the people who were searched would have exaggerated the story, or would have a different definition of body-cavity search than the rest of us. But, like I said, I don't expect people to take my word for it, I'm just some random person on the internet.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 11:40 am
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I have no problem believing it happened, and I am truly outraged that it was done by the TSA - the ACLU needs to be on this fast! Are body-cavity searches part of the 'secret' TSA SOP that no one is suppose to know about? What authority is granted the TSA or law enforcement to hold someone for a search if they refuse one?

In another thread I mentioned the experience of a friend of mine at ATL a number of years ago (well pre-9/11). Upon checking in at the DL counter for a reserved-but-not-paid one-way ticket, the agent refused the credit card because of the limited time to departure and insisted on cash (the fare was only $75). When my friend paid cash, she picked up the phone and called the ATL police who took him away to a back room, illegally searched his bags and performed a strip-search (including a cavity exam) before escorting him to the plane. I was so enraged, I wouldn't quit hollering until he agreed to hire a lawyer. The lawyer was too much of a chicken-sh$$ to sue the police, but he did sue Delta, and the issue was settled out of court.

This type of activity has been going on for a long time - about the only thing that allows it to continue is the submissive behavior of its victims. People need to learn to say "no!".

I call upon the ACLU to begin gathering data on this activity and prepare the appropriate legal challenges, and I would also like to ask Joe Sharkey to begin looking into this for a potential report in the NYT.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
The lawyer was too much of a chicken-sh$$ to sue the police, but he did sue Delta, and the issue was settled out of court.
Just speculating, but there may have been some procedural issues barring the suit against the police in the situation you described. It's a lot easier to sue a corporate entity than it is to sue a government entity (yes, I went to law school). Not to say that the lawyer wasn't also cowardly, I mean, I wasn't part of this situation so I can't say.

Originally Posted by bocastephen
I call upon the ACLU to begin gathering data on this activity and prepare the appropriate legal challenges, and I would also like to ask Joe Sharkey to begin looking into this for a potential report in the NYT.
My understanding is that the ACLU is already working on this issue (along with the pat-down search issues that others have raised), so you don't have to worry about calling on them to take action. As for the NYT, I don't know if they're working on a story or not. I have no connections in the media.

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