'Secure Flight' arouses concerns
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'Secure Flight' arouses concerns
Trivalley Herald Article
"If the European Union should determine that Secure Flight violates its privacy laws, airlines would be put in a bind. If they should comply with the TSA's orders, they would risk being fined by the European Union for violating EU privacy laws. If they should obey the European Union, they risk fines from the United States.
Airlines have been meeting to decide what to do, said Doug Wills, spokesman for the major airlines trade group, the Air Transport Association.
"Airlines are still reviewing the requirements on the operational and privacy details," Wills said."
The 72 airlines should band together and defy the TSA by telling it to go pound sand with respect for its demand of passenger details.
"If the European Union should determine that Secure Flight violates its privacy laws, airlines would be put in a bind. If they should comply with the TSA's orders, they would risk being fined by the European Union for violating EU privacy laws. If they should obey the European Union, they risk fines from the United States.
Airlines have been meeting to decide what to do, said Doug Wills, spokesman for the major airlines trade group, the Air Transport Association.
"Airlines are still reviewing the requirements on the operational and privacy details," Wills said."
The 72 airlines should band together and defy the TSA by telling it to go pound sand with respect for its demand of passenger details.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
The 72 airlines should band together and defy the TSA by telling it to go pound sand with respect for its demand of passenger details.
Last edited by Richelieu; Nov 22, 2004 at 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by Richelieu
What will most likely is that airlines will comply with TSA in fear of being denied the right to fly to the US, and simply pay the EU fines, adding that price to the ticket post Secure Flight. They will comply with the order of the party that present the greatest threat to them. Besides, if everyone is fined the same way, global ticket price will rise, allowing airlines to squeeze an increase of their fare without the travellers noticing too much.
It's a shame that airlines effectively collude on pricing but won't collude on telling to government to get bent on inSecurity.
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The problem with collusion is that, in reality, only a handful of US carriers are truly exposed to the EU fines...that is, the airlines that set foot on EU territory. AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US, basically. The EU is going to have a hell of a time obtaining jurisdiction over YX if it shares the data of an EU citizen flying MKE-MCI. So, there's really no benefit for AS, B6, FL, WN, or any of the other commuters/discounters/non-EU flying airlines to worry about the EU issue. Meanwhile, I bet the big 6 could quietly ferret out PNRs with EU passport information and/or tickets purchased in GBP or EUR denominations. Would TSA ever know the difference? My guess is no.
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Originally Posted by mizzou65201
The problem with collusion is that, in reality, only a handful of US carriers are truly exposed to the EU fines...that is, the airlines that set foot on EU territory. AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US, basically. The EU is going to have a hell of a time obtaining jurisdiction over YX if it shares the data of an EU citizen flying MKE-MCI.
Data collection forms in Europe are often assorted with warning regarded possible data transfer to the US, and it's mandatory for travel agent selling tickets to the US to warn about privacy risks. EU citizen who bought tickets to an US company at least knew the risk and could have improved their security by buying the ticket under EU jurisdiction (on an internet website, it's quite easy to buy a DL (for example) ticket under EU jurisdiction from the US).
So, there's really no benefit for AS, B6, FL, WN, or any of the other commuters/discounters/non-EU flying airlines to worry about the EU issue. Meanwhile, I bet the big 6 could quietly ferret out PNRs with EU passport information and/or tickets purchased in GBP or EUR denominations. Would TSA ever know the difference? My guess is no.