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gofast Sep 29, 2004 7:21 am

Passenger attacks flight crew with axe.
 
CNN Story

So much for the theory of passengers defending the flight deck.

OSLflyer Sep 29, 2004 9:01 am

More updated news...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle880354.ece

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle880632.ece

studentff Sep 29, 2004 9:09 am


Originally Posted by gofast
So much for the theory of passengers defending the flight deck.

Wrong.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=6366573


Passengers said the attacker, in his 30s, stood up without warning just minutes before the plane landed and walked to the open cockpit to attack the pilots. Some passengers screamed in fear but two others managed to overpower him.

"The situation was highly dramatic. The plane was only 100 feet off the ground when the pilots were attacked. They fought off the attacker while trying to gain control over the plane," said police official Margrete Torseter.

. . .

"Suddenly I heard someone cry out: "Come and help," said passenger Irene Lokland, 45. "I thought we were going to die. I was picturing my three children in my mind," she told Norwegian NRK radio.

She said she was one of two passengers who helped hold the attacker down until the flight landed and police dragged him out of the plane.

And this report claims the axe was likely carried, not the crash axe:


He had probably carried the axe on board, contrary to earlier information that it was part of the aircraft's emergency equipment, police said.
Also, it seems this plane had no cockpit door (pretty small), which certainly made it easier for the attacker to get to the cockpit crew.

AArlington Sep 29, 2004 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by gofast
So much for the theory of passengers defending the flight deck.

uhhh.. This happened in Norway. Nice people there, but this is far from a valid comparison.

Had this happened in Texas it would have been a different outcome.

Spiff Sep 29, 2004 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by gofast
CNN Story

So much for the theory of passengers defending the flight deck.

Please see this article.

"Ms Lokland said two male passengers grabbed the attacker, then dragged him out of the cockpit. She said he was shouting and struggling as the plane touched down. The passengers held the man until police boarded and arrested a man in his 30s. He told them he was from Algeria."

WillTravel Sep 29, 2004 6:09 pm

The question is how did he get an axe on board, and the likely answer is complete lack of security, based on my limited experience at a small airport in Norway.

doc Sep 29, 2004 6:18 pm

Please also see:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...67#post3258367

mizzou65201 Sep 29, 2004 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by WillTravel
The question is how did he get an axe on board, and the likely answer is complete lack of security, based on my limited experience at a small airport in Norway.

Don't intra-Alaska commuter flights still operate without checkpoints? The type of a/c involved in this axe incident was a Do228, which is roughly the same size as the Dash-8s and other smaller prop a/c that run within AK sans security.

hauteboy Sep 30, 2004 8:20 am


Originally Posted by WillTravel
The question is how did he get an axe on board, and the likely answer is complete lack of security, based on my limited experience at a small airport in Norway.

The article said the axe was already onboard.. part of the standard emergency equipment

OSLflyer Sep 30, 2004 10:24 am


Originally Posted by WillTravel
The question is how did he get an axe on board, and the likely answer is complete lack of security, based on my limited experience at a small airport in Norway.


Only 17 of Norway's 46 civil airports have equipment and procedures for weapon checks, though total security measures are planned to be in place by Jan. 1 2005 at the smaller, regional airports. The Civil Aviation Authority had an emergency meeting Thursday to discuss the necessity of immediate measures, such as handheld metal detectors, at regional airports.

robodeer Sep 30, 2004 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by WillTravel
and the likely answer is complete lack of security

but.. thats what we all want. right? :D


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