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Originally Posted by law dawg
True. We should continue with this line of thought. We should force Big Business to address its problems with massive, billion dollar theft or disband it for refusing to addess these problems.
Big Business: Competition TSA: Government-mandated monopoly Big Business: Employees and company officers increasingly more liable for misconduct. TSA: No accountability unless caught and prosecution still might not result. Big Business: Crimes committed by employees done largely on private property. TSA: Crimes committed by employees done on public property |
Originally Posted by Spiff
Your point, if any?? :confused:
Big Business: Competition TSA: Government-mandated monopoly Big Business: Employees and company officers increasingly more liable for misconduct. TSA: No accountability unless caught and prosecution still might not result. Big Business: Crimes committed by employees done largely on private property. TSA: Crimes committed by employees done on public property |
Originally Posted by Spiff
True, but there is ample evidence of a problem. The TSA should be either forced to address these problems by inspecting checked baggage only in the presense of the passenger, or it should be disbanded for refusing to address these problems.
Under your analogy: The USPS should be disbanded because letters get lost or take longer than normal to be delivered. NASA should be disbanded because they miss a takeoff schedule. Electric Companies should be disbanded because you loose your power for a while. I personally agree that baggage should be screened in front of the passenger then locked but what we found is that passengers do not want to be bothered. They want to drop it off and get going. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
Incorrect. Cannot airports these days decide to return to that fine private security force that reigned pre-9/11? Maybe a few will even speak English, but that is for another thread.
Originally Posted by law dawg
Am confused how the TSA statement you made does not apply to Big Business. Ah, that's right - more and more have been voluntarily reporting straight to court and turning themselves in. I'll Google that in a few.
Originally Posted by law dawg
This part may be true, but so what? Your rant applies to so many facets of the US that it is silly to expect perfection out of one certain segment to the exclusion of others.
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It's hard to buy any arguments that raise comparisons between private misdeeds as does law dawg or inspectors in other countries as does TSAMGR without the thought constantly coming to mind that these are people who have been sworn to serve and protect us.
Over the years I have maintained friendships with relatively high level law enforcement officials who themselves would have found these actions beyond abhorrent and, if they happened in their bailiwicks, would have considered it such a humiliating blot upon their services that they would never stop dealing with the problem until the culprits were expunged and there was reasonable certainty that there would be no recurrence. Here, all we have is bald faced expressions of "See, it happens everywhere" and bloated out-of-control ad hominem attacks on critics. |
Originally Posted by monitor
It's hard to buy any arguments that raise comparisons between private misdeeds as does law dawg or inspectors in other countries as does TSAMGR without the thought constantly coming to mind that these are people who have been sworn to serve and protect us.
Over the years I have maintained friendships with relatively high level law enforcement officials who themselves would have found these actions beyond abhorrent and, if they happened in their bailiwicks, would have considered it such a humiliating blot upon their services that they would never stop dealing with the problem until the culprits were expunged and there was reasonable certainty that there would be no recurrence. Here, all we have is bald faced expressions of "See, it happens everywhere" and bloated out-of-control ad hominem attacks on critics. As far as malfeasence, I am all for catching and punishing culprits. What I find silly though is the unrealistic expectation of perfection and, when that unrealistic standard is not met, to demand the agency's disbanding. There is no such thing as perfection and never will be. And I find it somewhat hypocritical to accept one standard for one group and another, particularly unrealistic one, for another group. You seem to only demand higher levels of conduct from gov't types. I demand it from ALL people in positions of authority, business, gov't or otherwise. |
Originally Posted by TSAMGR
There should be zero tolerance of any theft; TSA, Air Carrier Baggage Handlers or anyone. By the way there is theft in FedEx, UPS and USPS also.
Originally Posted by TSAMGR
I personally agree that baggage should be screened in front of the passenger then locked but what we found is that passengers do not want to be bothered. They want to drop it off and get going.
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Originally Posted by law dawg
As far as malfeasence, I am all for catching and punishing culprits. What I find silly though is the unrealistic expectation of perfection and, when that unrealistic standard is not met, to demand the agency's disbanding. There is no such thing as perfection and never will be.
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Originally Posted by monitor
It's hard to buy any arguments that raise comparisons between private misdeeds as does law dawg or inspectors in other countries as does TSAMGR without the thought constantly coming to mind that these are people who have been sworn to serve and protect us.
Over the years I have maintained friendships with relatively high level law enforcement officials who themselves would have found these actions beyond abhorrent and, if they happened in their bailiwicks, would have considered it such a humiliating blot upon their services that they would never stop dealing with the problem until the culprits were expunged and there was reasonable certainty that there would be no recurrence. Here, all we have is bald faced expressions of "See, it happens everywhere" and bloated out-of-control ad hominem attacks on critics. Appearently you have a problem with me (though you know nothing of me) and feel it is your mission to misquote and misinterpret my postings. Perhaps if you actual read them without blinders on you would see I agree that theft of any kind, anywhere is intolerable. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
The TSA has been stonewalling passengers for almost 3 years. No private company could get away with that unless they were a government-mandated monopoly. Also, there is a very quick solution that the TSA arrogantly refuses to implement - checked baggage should only be opened in the presense of the passenger if she/he desires it.
But there are LOTS of private companies that "stonewall". Hell, lets start with the airlines themselves.... |
Originally Posted by Spiff
And when it happens, there is recourse for the customer. All of those companies have addressed theft problems and have handled most claims quickly. Also, there is a choice for consumers. Not so for passenger baggage screening.
I agree that claims should be handled quicker and the theft problem needs to be addressed no matter how big or small it may be. There are some passengers who DO want to be bothered. And everyone should be offered the choice, every time. After the baggage has successfully passed screening, it should be locked (if the passenger desires) and not opened under any circumstance until the passenger gets it back. |
Originally Posted by TSAMGR
The title was "Not only in the US". Get it right if you are going to quote it.
Appearently you have a problem with me (though you know nothing of me) and feel it is your mission to misquote and misinterpret my postings. Perhaps if you actual read them without blinders on you would see I agree that theft of any kind, anywhere is intolerable. As far as the second paragraph above is concerned, I would guess from reading milepost #15 in this thread that you have a way of inducing lots of people to develop problems with you sooner or later. |
Originally Posted by TSAMGR
I agree that claims should be handled quicker and the theft problem needs to be addressed no matter how big or small it may be.
WN at one of my airports ( ;) ) wants to go to a full drop and go checked baggage system. I have expressed my concerns that there has to be at least one ETD available for persons who want to be there when their baggage is screened. In a previous post, I stated that the TSA should address the issue or be disbanded. Addressing the issue (and hopefully others) is a fine solution to this problem. |
Originally Posted by monitor
There was no attempt to quote it, merely to analyze and interpret its implications and nuances. As they say in the courtrooms, "the thing speaks for itself" and I guess we'll just let it do that.
As far as the second paragraph above is concerned, I would guess from reading milepost #15 in this thread that you have a way of inducing lots of people to develop problems with you sooner or later. If you don't like my posts then don't read them. OK, that's enough, time to ignore you. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
Enron affected all sorts of people who did not actually do business with it
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