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Originally Posted by tuner
Originally Posted by GradGirl
Touching passengers should be absolutely forbidden. This would not compromise security at all, because huge gaping security holes elsewhere will be the first to be breached. All this attention to women's breasts is plainly prurient.
Gradgirl there are 2 ways you can solve this. There is a x-ray machine in place i think it is at one of the airports in FL where you walk thru and it scans for items. It is set up like the the one in the Arnold movie where it like your naked. The other is if you beep ask for a private then you can take your shirt/pants off and do a visible search. I have had women/men come thru the checkpoint and had weapons hidden in their bras and pants. You can not do a search without touching the body. The SOP states that in those area that are senitive you will use the back of your hand. Most of the women on my checkpoint hate it as much as you do, I hate having to search that area on a man, but you have to do it. You just do it as quickly and respectly as you can and move on to the next person It makes no sense to subject some passengers to humiliating invasive searches of their private body parts while others walk on through. Terrorists will find the path of least resistance, so the only people who will be subject to being touched in sensitive places are the ones without evil intent. There are many people with access to airplanes who are never searched at all. What sense does it make to go completely overboard with one group of people while letting ramp workers skip even a simple metal detector? |
no what I am saying is that if you beep at the walk thru and go to secondary and a area beeps with the hand wand the only way to clear the area is to touch the area. Yes one biggest hole at the airport is under the airport The personnel that have SIDA access do not get the background check that we as TSA employees get. That area is left to police by the agency that uses the area
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Originally Posted by tuner
no what I am saying is that if you beep at the walk thru and go to secondary and a area beeps with the hand wand the only way to clear the area is to touch the area. Yes one biggest hole at the airport is under the airport The personnel that have SIDA access do not get the background check that we as TSA employees get. That area is left to police by the agency that uses the area
No airport screener ever touched me pre-9/11, and there's no excuse for it now. |
I know that some people believe that TSA should never touch passengers. I know that some poeple say that better technology is needed. It would be nice to have the technology as seen in "Total Recall" where you can see any items without seeing anatomical parts of the passenger. I'm sure it may happen eventually. Even with that technology, the cost alone would be catastrophic. Picture at least 1 scanner in 429 airports. Actually I think there are more airports now, around 434. Busier airports would need more than one. Life would be good. But until it happens, we must resort to the "Stone Age" of screening so I have heard it called. That means, anytime the handwand alarms, a physical inspection of the area is required. Some screeners allow the courtesy of allowing the passenger to remove any items that may have caused that alarm, then re-wand the area. I'm in favor of it and I encourage it. This is the only method I can see to help alleviate some passengers frustrations with us. But, with all we try to do to be as helpful as possible and get the passengers through will as little of an inconvinience as possible, there are those that wish to have their 15 minutes of fame and scream Rodney King as they go through. They may play the race card, or the age card, or the sex card. I believe that TSA screeners do not look at every passenger as a terrorist but as someone that is flying. I stress innocent until proven guilty. But there is that procedure between the ticket counter and the gate that has to happen. I cannot apologize for the inconvinience of screening but I can say that I understand your discontent. I fly too and have had the SSSS's before.
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Originally Posted by kmitchell74
I know that some people believe that TSA should never touch passengers. I know that some poeple say that better technology is needed. It would be nice to have the technology as seen in "Total Recall" where you can see any items without seeing anatomical parts of the passenger. I'm sure it may happen eventually. But until it happens, we must resort to the "Stone Age" of screening so I have heard it called. That means, anytime the handwand alarms, a physical inspection of the area is required.
But, with all we try to do to be as helpful as possible and get the passengers through will as little of an inconvinience as possible, there are those that wish to have their 15 minutes of fame and scream Rodney King as they go through. They may play the race card, or the age card, or the sex card. I believe that TSA screeners do not look at every passenger as a terrorist but as someone that is flying. I stress innocent until proven guilty. But there is that procedure between the ticket counter and the gate that has to happen. I cannot apologize for the inconvinience of screening but I can say that I understand your discontent. I fly too and have had the SSSS's before. Given that the airport is only as secure as its least intensively searched occupant, why can't the TSA just equalize the searches so everyone gets the same search? And I mean: everyone. |
Originally Posted by GradGirl
Thanks, kmitchell74. I still have to wonder: why would this invasive form of screening be of any security value when there are many people in the secured area who have not undergone it? Forget the distinction between SSSS and not SSSS; there are airport contractors and ramp workers and cargo truck drivers who have access but haven't been searched at all.
You make mention of an invasive search. What is that you speak of? Surely you're not calling secondary screening invasive?!? I mean, I had my butt grazed ever-so slightly by a wand once, but it was nothing to write home about. My manhood is still unscathed. :D |
Originally Posted by AirMan
But those people have had background checks done or they are being escorted by someone who has. I'm just glad to see that TSA makes their own screeners go through the checkpoints just like passengers, because I always thought one of THEM might be a potential (disgruntled) risk.
You make mention of an invasive search. What is that you speak of? Surely you're not calling secondary screening invasive?!? I mean, I had my butt grazed ever-so slightly by a wand once, but it was nothing to write home about. My manhood is still unscathed. :D Background checks are clearly not an indication of whether someone is a risk. Mohamed Atta got a student visa renewal, which required a background check, after 9/11. Bureaucratic nonsense is just not predictive of future behavior. And yes, I call secondary screening invasive, because when I get secondary screening I have to submit to having my breasts felt by a stranger. I am also put at risk of intentional or unintentional touching of other private parts of my body, and my womanhood is NOT unscathed. |
Originally Posted by GradGirl
Hi AirMan,
Background checks are clearly not an indication of whether someone is a risk. Mohamed Atta got a student visa renewal, which required a background check, after 9/11. Bureaucratic nonsense is just not predictive of future behavior. And yes, I call secondary screening invasive, because when I get secondary screening I have to submit to having my breasts felt by a stranger. I am also put at risk of intentional or unintentional touching of other private parts of my body, and my womanhood is NOT unscathed. |
Originally Posted by tuner
Yes one biggest hole at the airport is under the airport The personnel that have SIDA access do not get the background check that we as TSA employees get. That area is left to police by the agency that uses the area
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