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Spiff Apr 25, 2004 5:03 am

Gate Harassment at DFW Yet Again
 
Filthy, disgusting, un-American gate harassment observed at DFW.

25 Apr, 2004. Flight AA2415 DFW-MIA, Gate A16.

Two wand wizards, one male, one female wasting time and money harassing passengers. When I passed, they were harassing an elderly woman in a wheelchair, who was not at all pleased about being harassed.

I have nothing but contempt for the piece of human garbage who masquerades as the FSD for DFW.

TSAMGR Apr 25, 2004 10:25 am


Originally Posted by Spiff
Filthy, disgusting, un-American gate harassment observed at DFW.

25 Apr, 2004. Flight AA2415 DFW-MIA, Gate A16.

Two wand wizards, one male, one female wasting time and money harassing passengers. When I passed, they were harassing an elderly woman in a wheelchair, who was not at all pleased about being harassed.

I have nothing but contempt for the piece of human garbage who masquerades as the FSD for DFW.

"Those damn dirty apes"

Amazing how bold people are when behind a monitor.

Teacher49 Apr 25, 2004 11:47 am


Originally Posted by TSAMGR
"Those damn dirty apes"

Amazing how bold people are when behind a monitor.

Or, in some cases, behind a badge.

Spiff Apr 25, 2004 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by Teacher49
Or, in some cases, behind a badge.

Exactly!! ^

TSAMGR Apr 25, 2004 4:33 pm

Badges!!! We don't need no stinkin' badges!!

GradGirl Apr 25, 2004 10:43 pm

Back to the thread topic: TSAMGR, do you know why gate harassment is coming back into vogue? I thought that gate searches were a thing of the past. Gate searches wreak havoc on the boarding process (especially on Southwest's unreserved seating system) and seem to convey the message that TSA missed something the first time it screened people at the checkpoint.

FliesWay2Much Apr 26, 2004 7:57 am

Gate Rape Also on Friday
 
I forget the gate and flight number, but two secret agents -- male and female, both of whom looked as if they didn't miss many meals, were at the ready in Concourse C about 1400 or so. The flight was an AA going to Boston. I left before that flight boarded, so I didn't get a chance to witness what was going on. :mad:

I was expecting a similar gate rape for my IAD flight, but there was none. Just as well, because earlier that morning, I was "selected" for a non-beeping check-point rape at COS. I asked why and got the "We have to do continuous screening." answer. I replied that I was tired of hearing that lie and I told him I knew I was picked because I was a non-threatening-looking 50-ish male who dared to watch his stuff go all the way through the x-ray before I walked through the metal detector. I did my usual in-your-face Academy Award performance with the rapist (including insisting he change his gloves in front of me so I could verify that he actually did change them.) At the end of it, I proclaimed to him and his supervisor that I was "...just proud to be an American." Neither the screener nor the supervisor had the guts to make eye contact with me.

FWAAA Apr 26, 2004 8:48 am


Originally Posted by GradGirl
Back to the thread topic: TSAMGR, do you know why gate harassment is coming back into vogue? I thought that gate searches were a thing of the past. Gate searches wreak havoc on the boarding process (especially on Southwest's unreserved seating system) and seem to convey the message that TSA missed something the first time it screened people at the checkpoint.

When Magaw or Loy (maybe it was Norman A-hole Mineta) announced a year ago or so that gate groping was going away, the press release said it would not disappear completely but would be trotted out occasionally to provide yet another "extra layer" of security. :mad:

I ranted about this at some length at the time in the News forum. :(

TSAMGR Apr 26, 2004 2:16 pm

I already answered this and it seems someone is having fun deleting messages.

If there are not enough screeners for the "Selectee" lane then gate screening must be done. Since TSA is short staffed at most airports this will become the norm.

Spiff Apr 26, 2004 3:20 pm

1)You wouldn't be short-staffed if you didn't harass the passengers. Many of the methods of harassment are chosen by your FSD and not because of TSA system-wide mandates. Therefore any airport that claims that it is short-staffed at the checkpoint only has its FSD to blame.

2)SSSS harassment should never occur. The blame for this form of harassment goes to the un-American management of the TSA who continue to chose to harass rather than protect the traveling public.

Both 1) and 2) could easily be solved by eliminating the source of the problem: federal interference with airport security. The TSA should be permanently disbanded.

TSAMGR Apr 26, 2004 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
1)You wouldn't be short-staffed if you didn't harass the passengers. Many of the methods of harassment are chosen by your FSD and not because of TSA system-wide mandates. Therefore any airport that claims that it is short-staffed at the checkpoint only has its FSD to blame.

2)SSSS harassment should never occur. The blame for this form of harassment goes to the un-American management of the TSA who continue to chose to harass rather than protect the traveling public.

Both 1) and 2) could easily be solved by eliminating the source of the problem: federal interference with airport security. The TSA should be permanently disbanded.


1) We wouldn't be short staffed if TSA HQ would staff according to passenger loads. You do not know my airports, FSD, nor myself so your claims have no basis.

2)The selectee system was in place before the TSA and will be in place long after we are all gone.

TSA will be around in some form or another and you will still be babbling about it when you are in the nursing home.

Spiff Apr 26, 2004 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by TSAMGR
1) We wouldn't be short staffed if TSA HQ would staff according to passenger loads. You do not know my airports, FSD, nor myself so your claims have no basis.

If you do the Shoe Carnival, then you are overstaffed. Shoe Carnival means you have personnel to waste running and x-raying shoes.

If you do Random Harassment, then you are overstaffed. Random Harassment means you have personnel to waste harassing people who do not beep and who have no SSSS on their BP.

If you do an extra ID check, then you are overstaffed. Extra ID checks are a sure sign of being overstaffed. If you have an SSSS harassment lane and you do an extra BP check, then you are overstaffed. An extra BP check in this situation means that the person checking BPs is incompetent. If you do not have an SSSS harassment lane and you check a BP at any time other than after the WTMD before the harassee is harassed, then you are overstaffed.

If you harass people at the checkpoint for SSSS and you do gates regardless of whether you have an SSSS harassment lane, then you are overstaffed.

Any of these situations apply? If not, then I'll do my best to use your airport whenever possible. ;)

CameraGuy Apr 26, 2004 7:32 pm

They only cry "understaffing" because they, like ALL government operations, cannot perform even the simplist of tasks w/o 3 employees.

ALL checkpoints have at LEAST twice as many employees as necessary.

TSAMGR Apr 26, 2004 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
If you do the Shoe Carnival, then you are overstaffed. Shoe Carnival means you have personnel to waste running and x-raying shoes.

Never order anyone to take shoes off unless they meet profile- SOP
Use second chance heavily.


Originally Posted by Spiff
If you do Random Harassment, then you are overstaffed. Random Harassment means you have personnel to waste harassing people who do not beep and who have no SSSS on their BP.

Use continous - SOP


Originally Posted by Spiff
If you do an extra ID check, then you are overstaffed. Extra ID checks are a sure sign of being overstaffed. If you have an SSSS harassment lane and you do an extra BP check, then you are overstaffed. An extra BP check in this situation means that the person checking BPs is incompetent. If you do not have an SSSS harassment lane and you check a BP at any time other than after the WTMD before the harassee is harassed, then you are overstaffed.

BP is checked at end of queue because the ticket checker is not TSA. Passengers are told they can put IDs away. BP is looked at quickly by WTMD but not after that.


Originally Posted by Spiff
If you harass people at the checkpoint for SSSS and you do gates regardless of whether you have an SSSS harassment lane, then you are overstaffed.

Haven't done gates in probably 16 months.


Originally Posted by Spiff
Any of these situations apply? If not, then I'll do my best to use your airport whenever possible. ;)

No thank you.

So since you are such an expert, what should the staffing levels be per lane, checkpoint, ETD? I'm sure you will come up with some babble like there shouldn't be any. You are really getting boring.

TSAMGR Apr 26, 2004 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by CameraGuy
They only cry "understaffing" because they, like ALL government operations, cannot perform even the simplist of tasks w/o 3 employees.

ALL checkpoints have at LEAST twice as many employees as necessary.

More babble from the peanut gallery.


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