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Originally Posted by daniellam
If I were someone of Middle Eastern descent and/or have an Arabic sounding name and I am (or my spouse) is about to give birth to a new baby, I would definately consider naming my child with an English Christian given name and a new surname.
By the way, in Latin America you would find the majority of ethnic Arabs (muslim or not) with Spanish first names and then the last name could be a more traditional Arabic last name or some hodgepodge. You find this to be very common amongst the business and political elites in Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico and Chile. At least 2 of those countries had ethnic Arab muslim presidents in overwhelmingly catholic countries during the 90s. [Gaucho can confirm one such country for me. ]
On a more concerning and serious note, some people in the Middle East, North Africa and Central/S/SE Asia have been noted as christianizing their first names to apply for visas and the like (or to stake claims as "persecuted" refugees in some cases).
It is interesting to note that most Arabs in America (especially Arab-Americans) have largely non-distinguishable names ... like pollster James Zogby, radio personality Casey Cassem Sen. John Sunnunu, Generals John Abizaid and Henry Pete Osman and so on. Most all Arabs and Arab-Americans are christians and thus have had French or English christian names for generations in many cases. Only a minority of Arabs in the US and an even smaller minority of Arab-Americans are muslim.
It is also interesting to note that a disproportionate amount of Israelis and non-European jews are often confused for being muslims or Arabs when perceived visually or without much intellectual curiosity. An Israeli tourist to America is likely to get the special treatment quite often.
Last edited by GUWonder; Apr 9, 2004 at 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
It is also interesting to note that a disproportionate amount of Israelis and non-European jews are often confused for being muslims or Arabs when perceived visually or without much intellectual curiosity. An Israeli tourist to America is likely to get the special treatment quite often.
I get SSSSed because I buy my tickets in Tel Aviv. On those few occasions when I have bought them in the States I have whizzed right through Security.
Frankly, I am only annoyed by the reason that I get the special treatment, not the special treatment (or profiling) itself.
I don't believe that any of the 9/11 hijackers bought their tickets overseas. To make the point of purchase the deciding factor in profiling, therefore, is ridiculous. Even today, a would-be terrorist is more apt to buy his ticket in Boston than Beirut.
If airlines want to profile Arabs -- fine. If they can't tell the difference between Hebrew and Arabic, that is very understandable. If they want to profile Israelis, I can accept that. But let's stop being so hypercritically PC and give the actual reason for the profiling. As things stand now, an American WW2 vet in his 80's whose son in Tel Aviv springs for a ticket for him will get the SSSS treatment while the 23-year-old Islamic radical who arrived in the States two weeks ago and bought a r/t ticket to LAX in Brooklyn will most likely go right through.
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Originally Posted by Dovster
If airlines want to profile Arabs -- fine. If they can't tell the difference between Hebrew and Arabic, that is very understandable. If they want to profile Israelis, I can accept that. But let's stop being so hypercritically PC and give the actual reason for the profiling. As things stand now, an American WW2 vet in his 80's whose son in Tel Aviv springs for a ticket for him will get the SSSS treatment while the 23-year-old Islamic radical who arrived in the States two weeks ago and bought a r/t ticket to LAX in Brooklyn will most likely go right through.
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The solution is simple, though a bit degrading. I have started carrying my passport for identification since this started happening to me. Why not put a VISA like inclusion in my passport that would get me through this nonsense?
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Originally Posted by kanerf
The solution is simple, though a bit degrading. I have started carrying my passport for identification since this started happening to me. Why not put a VISA like inclusion in my passport that would get me through this nonsense?
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Originally Posted by ScottC
They are working on a trusted passenger system, who knows when it'll be in place though...
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Originally Posted by ScottC
They are working on a trusted passenger system, who knows when it'll be in place though...